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2004/05/11, 03:49 PM
If you lift 100 lbs on the bench at the beginning and lift 110 at the end I guess thats a 10% increase.
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So I guess i am stupid this afternoon explain the % thingie
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2004/05/11, 05:14 PM
Mutt i went stupid, no fear. I was thinking of the challenge we had a couple weeks back here at school where it was based on percentage of body mass (like if i benched 160 i would be benching 100% body mass...or 320 i would be benching 200% of body mass)
im stupid...yeah charlie...lock up the buffalo too...with the way my minds been going i might just go head to head with him...
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2004/05/11, 05:16 PM
The buffalo says ok ,Tex. I have a stepladder if you need it.
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Charlie
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2004/05/11, 05:20 PM
hey now... don't make me steal your medication charlie!
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2004/05/11, 08:37 PM
I typed this above but here we go again heres my suggestion for to caculate the max ratios... for who has the highest maxes.......
A 225lbs person
bench 240/225=1.06
military 190/225=.84
squat 300/225=1.33
deadlift 350/225= 1.55
total 4.78
B 110lbs person
bench 115/110=1.04
military 60/110=.54
squat 200/110=1.81
deadlift 220/110=2.00
total 5.38
as you can see the B won, even though B smaller and not lifting as much weight.........everything is done by body weight that is how your scored......make sense?
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2004/05/11, 09:00 PM
I built that into the spreadsheet Andrew, it's great.
We can use it both ways - the resulting number is what we will track improvement with, as well as adding the three lift numbers together to see whose weighted max is highest.
I do alot of statistical analysis at work.. I'll monitor the charts and come up with some interesting stats as we go along. There may be some people who are really close that can go head-to-head for side bets etc.
If anyone wants to review the spreadsheet I'll be happy to email to you.. don't really have any numbers in it yet to evaluate the calculations but I'll throw some test stats in it tomorrow to see what happens. Whoever is tracking the other stuff may be able to adapt it to their purpose, IM me if interested.
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2004/05/11, 09:05 PM
As a tribute to my geniousness folks, be sure you all know that I weighed all the options and chose Danielle for this job. That would make me strong beautiful and brilliant ,huh???
You da woman Dani. I look forward to the show!!!:big_smile:
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Charlie
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2004/05/11, 09:08 PM
Oh yeah, she volunteered
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Foolish consistancies are the hobgoblins of small minds.
Charlie
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2004/05/12, 01:38 AM
It's so on. I need to work on my deadlifts and squat. I don't usually go for weight, but 3 sets of 10. Efforts must be doubled.
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2004/05/12, 08:47 AM
Lets do this!!!
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Would it be classified as overly competitive if I refused to let a 4 year old beat me at chutes and ladders?
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2004/05/12, 11:17 AM
davis_s81 a belated welcome to the challange. Most of us here have known each other for a while. Tell us about yourself so we can guage exactly how vicious we can be with you. If you are a delicate flower like Mutt for instance we don't want to send you screaming away.
I am thrilled to see all you psychos so geeked about this thing of ours. I think when June 1 gets here we need to unsticky this post and start a new on for those of challanged bandwidth. I would also propose that if nobody objects we call it the Mutt's Spring 2004 Challange in tribute to dino boy who cooked up this fiasco in the first place.
Please send in your comments and suggestions because as hec says it will be here before we know it. Speaking of hec...anybody notice the new pix ??? Scary lookin dude, beautiful dress blues , extremely beautiful girl at his side. Nice work Hec da Rec.
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2004/05/12, 11:54 AM
D'oh.. I'll have to rename my spreadsheet, was going with The Chuck Challenge for you charlie.
Full agreement on the new sticky soon.. need to move on to Part Deux.
I have been playing with the calculations that Andrew suggested and trying to see what happens based on different gain/loss scenarios and found a few things.. I'm going to copy paste his examples into a new post because I need some feedback from you-all on it.
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2004/05/12, 12:15 PM
I feel like a dumb ape.
Hffff, hffff, hfffff
"Hec lift heavy weight, datdani do math"
Hfff, hfff, hffff
"Hec lift heavy weight, Charlie apply icy hot to his joints to prevent further damage"
Hffff, hffff, hfff
"Hec lift heavy weight, Tex pass exams"
Hfff, hfff, hfff
"Hec win challenge, mmaibohm weep like baby"
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Would it be classified as overly competitive if I refused to let a 4 year old beat me at chutes and ladders?
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2004/05/12, 12:33 PM
I love this crap:big_smile::big_smile::big_smile::big_smile:
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Charlie
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2004/05/12, 02:21 PM
Lunch today:
McDonald's Quarter Pounder
Fries
Large Coke
Oh yeah I am gettin ready!
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Would it be classified as overly competitive if I refused to let a 4 year old beat me at chutes and ladders?
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2004/05/12, 02:33 PM
Everybody is preparing hard. I had tootsie pops and lard for breakfast. Lunch was 4 cans of that aerisol cheeze whiz with a Cheerwine chaser.
Princess lodgey is down in the Female boards getting advice on how to make her period happen on June 1 for maximum bloat. DIABOLICAL!!!!!! Guys we must get more devious!!!!!! These wiminz is serious!
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Charlie
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2004/05/12, 02:36 PM
I am in training for the bF portion of this here shindig. I had a whole box of poptarts, a package of Oreos and for dinner a bucket of KFC! MMMNNNNNN! That was just for the day!
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7707mutt@freetrainers.com
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2004/05/12, 03:08 PM
I hade a whole cow with a large popeyes bucket o chicken
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I am that
which must be feared, worshipped and adored. The world is mine
now and forever.No one holds command over me. No man. No god. I am a beast and that is enough.
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2004/05/12, 03:53 PM
Lunch today? (Nothin)
Exercise..... (NOTHIN)
Just damn RENOS! And a bailiff! for one of my contractors!
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"A will finds a way, failure is not an option"
Ivan
carivan@freetrainers.com
Montreal Canada
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2004/05/12, 04:13 PM
So do we have a tally of who is competing in what, against who, in what division? Datdani you are slipping.
Seriously though, do we have any idea what is going on? Is anyone else as confused as me? Have we established exactly what the challenge is?
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Would it be classified as overly competitive if I refused to let a 4 year old beat me at chutes and ladders?
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2004/05/12, 04:26 PM
Ok, IM me if you are participating in BF%, inches lost or gained. Send me current measurements and BF% as computed by you at mybodycomp.com. Edit out the ankle, wrist and knee meaurements because they shouldn't change.
IM Dani if you are in for bench,squat,deadlift.
Dani will be posting on another subject line attempting to tweak in exactly how to score. Please contribute your input there.
If there are other categories you want competition on post them here. So far chins have been suggested. We need more input.
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Charlie
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2004/05/12, 07:24 PM
Charlie, I'm far from a delicate flower, so come on with what you got. I'm competing in the dead bench squat part against team texas. ha ha. Yesterday, squatted 175 three sets of ten. That's a pretty low number, I know, but by the time this comp is over, it'll be a little more. 70lb. dumbbells is not a lot. I am wondering if mmaibohm left out a 1 before the 7. hmm..lemme know
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2004/05/12, 07:29 PM
Welcome, you fit right in. :big_smile::dumbbell::big_smile:
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Charlie
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2004/05/12, 07:48 PM
I will do bodyfat, change in measurements, and percent change in lifts. If Andrew's measurements were done at the beginning and at the end it would be a good measurement of change per pound giving an overall improvement score. However, I think the way that it is right now, the strongest per pound would have the advantage of being the strongest per pound in the end.
Daniel
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2004/05/12, 08:04 PM
That's true. I think that Charlie, Dani, and Andrew have done a pretty amazing job working out the kinks in the equations. I'm impressed and VERY excited to get started, it's kinda lame that it's only the 12th. Stupid May gotta be all long and stuff.
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2004/05/12, 08:10 PM
Daniel J, I think Dani will amaze us with stats. We will probably have answers to all possibilities. Welcome aboard Daniel and Foz.
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Charlie
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2004/05/12, 09:25 PM
I don't see exactly in the posts when this is going to start? June 1st???
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bb1fit@freetrainers.com
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2004/05/12, 09:35 PM
Yes, June 1st is the projected start date, but I am still a bit hazy on the finish date. A few possibilities have been kicked around. I think it is for a month? Or two?
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2004/05/12, 09:39 PM
June 1 to August 1
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Charlie
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2004/05/12, 09:44 PM
Oh good, I will be back by then.
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"A will finds a way, failure is not an option"
Ivan
carivan@freetrainers.com
Montreal Canada
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2004/05/12, 09:45 PM
Seems like most programs are 8 weeks, seems like the two months is most effective. One month you're just getting warmed up!
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2004/05/12, 09:53 PM
I pondered this in the beginning... not from the standpoint of somebody deliberatly cheating though. In my case I have squatted 400 lbs several months ago for 3 reps. That puts my 1 rep max around 435. I sent Dani a 1 rep max in the 390's.
Why?? Because I went 6 weeks without lifting when we moved and renovated. My Maxes suffered. I mentioned this in an earlier post as far as should we use current maxes. I think the only thing we can do is use where we are NOW as a bench mark. Make sense?? I know Mike was a mighty lifter in high school and college.From his posts I gathr he has just gotten back into lifting. But it is where he is now that matters for the challange.
This is another reason to wait till June first so we can hit on these details.
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Only one question........what if I say my max is 100lbs on bench? lol...........that means when I bench 300.... thats a 200% increase is it not lol? just a thought........if some one under maxes now... it might mix up the %'s
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Charlie
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2004/05/12, 11:30 PM
Null would be me The_Tic...
Seems that I left the room for too long...lol
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2004/05/13, 11:17 AM
Okey dokey... we have a pretty strong interest in an overall strength gains competition. After working out the squat/bench/dead dealie with Dani, I realize that measuring an overall strength comp may be easier said than done.
I guess we need ideas and consensus on which lifts to include and how to measure progress. This one may me a bear but we will try.
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Charlie
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2004/05/13, 12:44 PM
I think the weight moved vs body weight is a good way. or just compare the diff between starting weight and ending weight.
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now and forever.No one holds command over me. No man. No god. I am ANIMAL! and that is enough.
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2004/05/13, 12:49 PM
Makes sense, Mike. Which lifts should we include?? Should each person just enter and track their individual favorites aside from the 3 we are already doing?
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Charlie
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2004/05/13, 12:57 PM
This would create more work but, the 3 main power lifts would be one category.Then create another for thoose who dont want to do bench squat and deads. This can be the general strength gain section. That way everyone can compete with out having to take the risk of doing deads and squats.
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I am that
which must be feared, worshipped and adored. The world is mine
now and forever.No one holds command over me. No man. No god. I am ANIMAL! and that is enough.
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2004/05/13, 12:59 PM
Man this challenge has got me wishing for a squat rack and 500lbs of weight here at work!!!!!:dumbbell:
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7707mutt@freetrainers.com
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2004/05/13, 03:04 PM
I am in if you guys will have me for weight loss bf loss etcand to increase my lifts ...though for two weeks in July my bro will be coming to visit from Ireland so I will be taking my holidays at that time ..I am going to keep up with my workouts however my diet might be questionable :( but this will certainly help to keep it in check .
Dani I am inexperinced with dead lifts and squats (though I do DB squats with a swiss ball)
I find the incline bench a challenge and I am always trying to increase on that one .
Also maybe leg press or leg extensions as another suggestion .
I can only learn more by joining right !!
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angelsnow@freetrainers.com
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2004/05/13, 03:28 PM
Leg press is sort of similar to squats, I think. As far as not having experience in dead lifts and squats, it is a good idea to do homework on them now, try them out, get your form correct. Two and a half weeks should be enough time to get familiar with them. And remember, you will be starting out fresh, so your %increase should look good at the end.
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2004/05/13, 04:30 PM
FYI, two days after doing my first serious deadlifts I am in SERIOUS DOMS!! (ow) But two weeks from now I will be so ready..:cool:
I think adding chins (pull ups) is a great idea. We could reasonably add a few other lifts if there's interest.. you only compete in the ones you want, and the three powerlifts would be for the overall strength as Mike suggested.
Leg press IS similar to squat, but using the machine is a preferable alternative to those either less experienced or without a partner/spotter. We can add that as a lift if anyone wants to join Angel in it.
We'll probably have more participation if we include a few lift categories with things like dumbbell curls, lateral raises,... or cinder block toss:laugh:
The floor is open for suggestions:)
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: ] ~Danielle
Action may not always bring happiness, but there is no happiness without action.
~Benjamin Disraeli
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2004/05/13, 05:09 PM
Ok, I'm getting ready for June 1st. Bf% down .(should be easy as I haven't been in the gym now for 5 weeks).
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"A will finds a way, failure is not an option"
Ivan
carivan@freetrainers.com
Montreal Canada
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2004/05/13, 05:11 PM
Oh ya...a little secret, since I am not working right now, I will be in the gym twice a day!:laugh:
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"A will finds a way, failure is not an option"
Ivan
carivan@freetrainers.com
Montreal Canada
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2004/05/13, 05:57 PM
Cinder block toss...will that be for distance, or height? Count me in either way.
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2004/05/13, 06:08 PM
well geez all, since i am only able to get on here every few weeks can i still do this?? my work load has been way heavy and traveling has been added to it!!! so i am pulling 50 - 60 hour work weeks. But I would be happy to be in the team for weight/BF loss. i need the motivation right about now!!! Count me in! Amazon, your Partner In Crime is baaaaccckkk!! watch out boys!! :laugh:
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2004/05/13, 06:10 PM
And before everyone asks...ravenwolf is doing good, still looking for work but he is doing good. I am just having a hell of a hard time getting him on here!!!! So i think he needs a bit of a scolding from all of our wonderful friends!!! You are more then welcome...hehe
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2004/05/13, 07:05 PM
Bettia, we've been holding a spot just for you. IM your stats to me or Dani depending on which event you want to enter. Tell that wascal wavenwolf this is the perfect time to jump in. We start June 1.
Since you guys are a couple the entry fee of $1000 will be cut in half. Just mail me a check.
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Charlie
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2004/05/14, 03:25 AM
I got on the scales for my weekly weigh in this morning.....
HORRIFIED!!!!!
Despite all my hard work over the last few days I discovered I'd LOST 2 pounds
Fortunately in Scotland in the local fast food outlets you can order not just standard Pizza, but DEEP FRIED Pizza.....
Make mine a double :)
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2004/05/14, 08:01 AM
HEY Ravenbeauty is here, well hell there goes the neighboorhood.....Tell RW we need him on here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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2004/05/14, 07:22 PM
Deep fried what?? Heartattack? That's a good way to gain those two pounds back.
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