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2005/10/22, 04:37 PM
My ultimate goal is to lose 100 lbs. I'm getting married in June '06 and would like to lose 50lbs by then. Is this a reasonable and attainable goal? Next, someone told me that I should not even worry about doing any strength training now, I should just focus on doing 3 months of all cardio. If this is true, should I just do any cardio for at least 45 min-60 min. 5 days a week OR should I try and do the HIIT method every workout? Despite being overweight I'm pretty athletic. I do like to workout, especially playing tennis. I know about watching what I eat and think I've been doing pretty well with eating foods that are closer to the source (instead of packaged and processed). I do have a thing for chocolate so this has been my hardest to deal with. I have been making fat-free chocolate pudding with sliced strawberries in it. Is this really bad and if it is can someone reccomend a choc. fix that won't kill my calories for the day? Thanks so much for any suggestions or thoughts!
Celeste
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2005/10/22, 09:34 PM
I am going to say that whoever told you to disregard strength training in an effort to lose weight needs to do study thier physiology a little better before they go around promoting their opinion. That being said.
50lbs, in 8 months. Attainable, but it depends on what you are at now. If you are looking for long term weight loss, you should aim for 1-2% of your bodyweight per week in weightloss.
Question 2... Your focus should probably be on strength training. This will build up muscle now, that will continue to burn calories all the way past your wedding. A cardio session stops burning calories a couple hours afterwards. The benefits of weight training with the purpose of weight loss has been well documented and researched.
3... HIIT will continue to burn calories for up to 24 hours after you are done, while spairing your precise calorie burning muscle. An hour of cardio will likely end up forcing your body to use muscle as a source of energy. And as I mentioned before, it only carries over for a couple hours.
If you think you are in good enough shape for HIIT, then by all means, have at it. I just would advise against doing it every day.
4...Chocolate- your not going to like my answer here. Find a good tasting chocolate protein shake, and have it in between meals. By shake, I do not mean like slimfast or a meal replacement shake. I mean protein powder and water (or milk, but this has its place.)
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To have talent is to have limits. I have no talent therefor I have no limits.
Steve Prefontaine
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/10/22, 09:48 PM
Please do not take any offense to this wrestler.
No milk...no milk...no milk! Everyone please read my posts on milk titled, "milk and caesin" please please please. It's on this messege board. I know everyone loves thier milk, but you have to read this info! I'll finish it when I get some reactions to it...good or bad.
One of my true life-passions in this business is to rid the country of this overly-processed junk product that causes more harm than good and allow raw milk back into the main stream (which is a great food).
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2005/10/22, 09:51 PM
I can't add much to what wrestler said as it hit it pretty much dead center. I have a couple of folks at my gym that were chocoholics and I half heartedly suggested they add some chocolate protein powder to cottage cheese and it worked for them. Satisfied the chocolate cravings and was a super good tasting pre bed-time meal.
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Mike
in Pensacola Now.
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2005/10/22, 10:07 PM
Drink milk it is good for you. Nelly every single Doctor and Nutritionist I have ever been to has told me to drink milk. WIC a federal program that each state runs requires milk for each child they cover. So they are all wrong?
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Less Talk, More Chalk!
7707mutt@freetrainers.com
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2005/10/22, 11:20 PM
SKIM MILK! SKIM MILK! SKIM MILK! Dairy is essential for a healthy lifestyle and a good metabolism. Its what type of dairy we eat that makes it good or bad. If you are going to eat cheese, try to take it in moderation or go for the lowfat. Try to drink skim milk instead of whole or 2%.
Mutt...those "programs" are corporately sponsored and the districts they service get kickbacks for selling their products. Sorry, I couldn't resist that one....but milk is still good for you and its good to see you again MUTT-MAN.
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Shut up and grow.
Thank God I don\'t have to got through another year of the Yankees winning the World Series.
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2005/10/23, 03:30 AM
Nelly, I hate to break it to you, but you sound like a fanatic... Sorry for that, but when your post is "DONT DRINK MILK, DONT DRINK MILK!" you may come across a bit extreme.
Also, try not to take offense to this, but I am going to guess that you are a follower of paul chek. I am sorry, but a lot of what Mr. Chek says makes alot of sense...IN THEORY... He is however, a bit of an extremist. For example, unstable surface training has been popularized, and fanaticized, by mr chek. It's a good idea, but when I see people squatting on a ball and expecting to be a successful athlete, I have to turn my head.
I have to agree with J... Skim milk defianetly has its place.
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To have talent is to have limits. I have no talent therefor I have no limits.
Steve Prefontaine
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/10/24, 09:56 AM
Thanks for all your info. I do like to lift weights but figured out that I can't do it in the afternoon when I do my cardio. I am a massage therapist and when I lift and come back to work my muscles shake and I have a hard time working. So, I can do that after work I guess? Also, thanks for the tip on protein powder. Any suggestions a specific kind? Oh, and I do drink skim milk only with All-Bran cereal maybe 2x a week and occasionally with coffee instead of cream. I do eat yogurt and cottage cheese. Should I be consuming more?
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2005/10/24, 10:01 AM
What does your typical daily meal plan look like? (Include any condiments....they add up)
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2005/10/24, 10:19 AM
brneyedgrl76, I started 4 weeks ago with a strict low fat (I have high HDL) and high protein diet. I eat around every 2.5-3 hours a 200-300 cal meal, I switched to complex carbs (no white flower or white rice) and I'm lifting weights 3 times a week and cardio about once twice a week and so far I've lost 9kg and gained some nice muscle tissue (didn't bulk up much).
The first 5kg is probably water weight but since then I have been shedding around 1.5kg a week which is quite good and I'm going to have a blood work done so I know I'm still healthy.
So you see that 25kg (roughly 50lbs??) is VERY doable ALTHOUGH I think women have a harder time loosing fat tissue.
Be sure to get vitamins, get your omega 3 (fish oil, fish, olive oil, flex oil) as it has a weight loss effect as it tells your body to let go on fat tissue (get around 1g of it a day).
As for my last measuring I've lost 4cm of my waist (beer belly is going bye bye!) and around 1cm of my thighs.
As for your sweets craving, before the diet I used to drink a bottle (some times even more) of coke a day with about 1 lt of beer every night, I would eat around a box of a cookies every day and few chocolate bars and a serving of ice cream and until this day I'm surprised my glucose levels are normal and I'm not a diabetic and now my whole sweets intake is around 1-2 cups of 0% fat fruit Yoplait (for the whole day) sometimes I eat a 0% fat soy pudding (very good BTW), a single M&M at my GF's house and my newest trend is get a single cube of bittersweet (cooking) chocolate and after that I drink 1/2lt of water and thats my whole chocolate intake for the day, if my body wants sugar let it start taking apart the fat.
Is all this hard?? Not at all, I'm very rarely hungry and the only REAL problem I face is the lack of beer which I LOVE and we don't have Bud Light in Israel ;)
I hope this gives your some incentive!
Good luck and please report on your progress.
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2005/10/24, 01:16 PM
Well, here is my deal...I never really was a sweets person except for chocolate like I said. My problem is that even though I'm eating good I want more of it! For example, I will make one chicken breast, small sweet potato, and steamed broccoli for dinner. I love this meal, I could eat it every night but sometimes I feel like I could eat 2 chicken breasts. I usually eat All-Bran cereal 2x a week for breakfast or I will make 2 eggwhites mixed with green and red peppers and wheat or rye toast, lunch consists of spring mix salad with tuna/chicken/salmon and veggies with alittle olive oil and balsamic vinegar, an apple or meal replacement bar for snack, and the above chicken dish for dinner. I don't drink any cola, I try not to drink coffee but that's hard for me. I've been doing 1 cup of coffee in the am and green tea for lunch and dinner.
Maybe someone can shed some light on this subject as well...in my town, there was a news article about this woman who lost like 1501bs. She worked out and ate really well but she was also eating TOFU 3x a day and she did not have any sagging skin. Her doctor confirmed that it was the tofu and the fact that she was young and had good genes. Could tofu really stop sagging skin?
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2005/10/24, 01:18 PM
BTW longirl...I usually marinate my chicken breasts in italian dressing, and I usually use Butter Buds on my Sw. Pot.
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2005/10/24, 02:11 PM
Eating too little will not help at all, as long as you keep your caloric intake below your spendure you are fine, in your example with chicken breast you can eat two and in fact I always eat the whole breast meaning the right and the left part.
I do drink alot of coffee, around 3-4 cups a day but for every cup I drink I drink twice or three times the same amount in water and right after the coffee.
Make sure you drink plenty of water, around 3 liters a day, it helps break down the fats you eat and it makes you feel full. Another helping tip (I don't do it myself) is stop eating carbs after 19:00, its soposed to help with fat reduction but I eat carbs all trough my day because of my fairly limited diet.
Keep in mind that the change will not happen over night, you need to speed up your metabolism and that takes some time, at first you will have a sudden drop of 2-3kg (it was 6kg for me) of water weight and then you start gradually loosing the fat.
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2005/10/24, 04:48 PM
wrestler, mutt and jdelts,
I love it! Of course I'm fanatical or "a bit extreme" as wrestler put it. I truly believe what I say and READ and SEE. I challenge all three of you to test of these "theories" (by the way they're always called theories, no matter who teaches them...a very smart man once said, "it's almost impossible to prove a man right, yet far easier to prove that man wrong"):
Try taking yourself off of pasteurized milk for 6 weeks (I know for some, this seems like an eternity) and then drink ONE glass of it. Just ONE! Let me know what it tastes like and how your stomach feels after. While you're off of it, notice your skin and your gas (ha ha, I know). I had to do this challenge with my fiance to convince her and it only took 2 weeks for her to notice a difference in the acne that has plagued her since she was young. Once she took a drink a couple weeks later, she swore herself off the stuff for ever. The only thing she uses milk for now, is to thicken up foods when cooking...and even then, it's still rare.
wrestler, I take absolutely no offense at anything you say. you're entitled to your own opinions. Paul Chek and the Chek Institute have simply steered me into further research so I can make better recommendations.
Mutt, this sounds very blunt and harsh, but doctors know little to nothing about HEALTH and VITALITY. However they are EXPERTS on death and dysfunction, hell, that's all they study. Look into their education, they rarely take more than a semester or two of formal nutritional education. As for nutritionists...call 20 nutritionists, ask them what they consider a healthy diet is, you'll get 20 different answers. These are also the people that advocate the "food guide pyramid" and now their new step thing that's just as politically driven as it ever was.
Ahhhhhhh debate, I am so full-filled!
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2005/10/24, 05:02 PM
wrestler,
one thing you need to do is read a book by Chek called "Movement that Matters" before condemning him based on someone else's reviews or only the info posted on the institutes website.
They don't teach us that ALL athletes and non-athletes need unstable-environment training, just the athletes and individuals who's sports and work environments require both equilibrium and righting reflexes or more equilibrium than righting like surfing, skating, bmx, hockey, motocross, etc. Examples of work environments that need both or more equilibrium: refinery work, carpentry, furniture movers, firefighters, ect.
I get alot of flack for being part of the Chek Institute because we are not mainstream and most of is based on generalizations and simple ignorance to the protocols that are taught there. Another big point to make here is that it's not just Paul Chek who teaches there or his research or his articles, books, studies, texts, ect. The curiculum is a culmination of works from hundreds of true experts.
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2005/10/24, 05:21 PM
I encourage you to investigate the works of some of the references we use:
William Wollcott, "The Metabolic Typing Diet"
Charles Poliquin
Kim Goss
Jerry Telle
Tudor Bompa, "tudorbompa.com"
Francis M. Potenger, "price-pottenger.org"
Weston A. Price, "westonaprice.org"
F. Batmanghelidj, "Your Bodies Many Cries for Water"
David Webster, "Achieve Maximum Health"
William C. Dement, "The Promise of Sleep"
Rudy Rivera, "Your Hidden Food Allergies Are Making You Fat"
David Magee, "Orthopedic Physical Assessment"
R.A. Schmidt, "Motor Learning and Performance"
Vladmir Janda
Dr. Mercola, "mercola.com"
Ron Rosendale
William H. Bates
William Bates......
and the list goes on and on and on!
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2005/10/24, 07:32 PM
Nelly, I will do it. Just know, that everything that I read on nutrition coming from the chek institute (which it was very easy to tell you were a follower, by the way), is usually based on what is in the materials that he advises against. For example, he can list all the things in water that are bad for you, but most of these things are in minute enough quantities that it doesn't make a difference.
But, I am always learning, always expanding my horizons. I will give it a try, because without experiance, you can know nothing.
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To have talent is to have limits. I have no talent therefor I have no limits.
Steve Prefontaine
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/10/24, 07:38 PM
Also, most people reading that list don't know who these people are. One is arguably the most influential and well respected strength coach in the west. However, I do my research, and lots of it, and I have never heard of a lot of those people. And if I am not mistaken, Willia H. Bates died MANY years ago, and William Bates is most well known for vision correction through motor coordination exercises for the eye.
I may be thinking of a different pair of Bates', but I don't see the connection.
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To have talent is to have limits. I have no talent therefor I have no limits.
Steve Prefontaine
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/10/25, 12:01 AM
oops, i wrote it twice. lol my bad.
Alright let's look at these minute quantities. We're not talking about toxic doses, we're talking about a cumulative effect. Does cancer or diabetes show up in symptom form overnight? Have you ever looked at the MSDS sheets on many of these chemicals? Well I have (I work with them every day) and even in minute doses there is a noticeable effect on the body. ie: lead, asbestos, mercury, pesticides, herbicides, arsenic, chlorine, aspertame, sucralose, ect. Simply because a chemical won't cause a noticeable effect immediately, doesn't mean that it's not negatively affecting your body in the long run.
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2005/10/25, 12:09 AM
By the by, why would it matter whether someone is dead and when they died? The connection is that vision is extremely important not only to survival, but health and vitality as well and Bates is a great reference. Now we have so many "studies" that "prove" that vision loss is permanant...hmmm, that's pretty convenient, considering how much money is involved in the vision profession.
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2005/10/25, 12:15 AM
Thanks Flip-Mode for the suggestions. I do drink alot of water and when I think I can drink no more water, I will cut up lemons and limes and put them in there. It's sooo much more refreshing. Also, the latest I eat dinner is about 7pm and thats only every once in awhile. Most of the time it's about 6. I learned a new trick that seems to really work....brushing my teeth right after dinner instead of waiting till later. It really sways me from wanting to eat anything.
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2005/10/25, 01:10 AM
I'm not saying it matters that they are dead. Dr. Mel Siff will remain one of the most influential members of the iron game for a long time. As will many others that have passed by.
My question is I fail to see the connection between vision loss and athletic training. Sure, athletes need to see, but his work didn't have alot to do with training.
And Nelly, as much as I am enjoying this, I am not trying to put the chek institute down. He does great things, especially in the ways of injury rehabilitation, but...
I disagree with many of his training methodologies for athletes. He does make some great findings, but, and I think even you could agree with this, he tends to take them too far. Physioball training is excellent, but there is no reason it should ever make up the bulk of an athletes training. Also, his theories on, I believe its called the survival reflex, basicly balance training done before heavy attepmts with the purpose of increasing motor coordination and rate of force output may have its place with people that have problems with their muscles firing properly, but when was the last time you saw brent mikesell balancing on one foot with his eyes closed before getting in the squat cage???
Don't get me wrong, I do take much of what he preaches into account. I am always open to learning something new, and I DO read into his theories. That is why it was so easy for me to identify you as one of his. I don't turn a blind eye, but sometimes, too much of a good thing isnt as productive as conjugating this good thing with other good things.
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To have talent is to have limits. I have no talent therefor I have no limits.
Steve Prefontaine
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/10/25, 05:58 AM
Nice tip, I think I'll try it as well.
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Quoting from brneyedgrl76:
Thanks Flip-Mode for the suggestions. I do drink alot of water and when I think I can drink no more water, I will cut up lemons and limes and put them in there. It's sooo much more refreshing. Also, the latest I eat dinner is about 7pm and thats only every once in awhile. Most of the time it's about 6. I learned a new trick that seems to really work....brushing my teeth right after dinner instead of waiting till later. It really sways me from wanting to eat anything.
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