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	2003/12/04, 01:03 PM Most of the time these movements just make my shoulders pop and hurt.It also seems no matter what I do that I only gain pain and not much strength. Are there some others I can substitute? -------------- Living well is the best revenge. Charlie

	2003/12/05, 12:27 PM bump -------------- Living well is the best revenge. Charlie
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2003/12/05, 12:29 PM Strength is not an issue on these type movements. They are more "shaping" type movements, and quality matters here rather than quantity of weight. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything....
rev8ball Posts: 3,081 Joined: 2001/12/27	2003/12/05, 01:00 PM BB1 is right on with this one. After you have ruled out the possiblity of an injury, drop the weight alot - start out low and work on your form. If the freeweights are too much in general, try using cables or some of the machines that are available for these lifts to help you develop form and initial strength. Also, try some light rotary cuff lifts to build them up as well. But, I reiterate, take your time and be careful: a torn rotary cuff or blown shoulder is NOTHING you want to deal with. Good luck! -------------- Michael Trample the weak; hurdle the dead! Chaos, Panic, Disorder.... Yes, my work here is done!
7707mutt Posts: 7,686 Joined: 2002/06/18	2003/12/05, 01:04 PM Rev he is recovering from a injury to his shoulder. But I agree with you. Drop the db and use a machine or cable system if you can. As rev8ball says those cause less stress. Also have you stopped those behind the neck (which his phsycial therpist said were ok to do) presses? -------------- LIFT HEAVY! BECOME STRONG, LIKE BULL!
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2003/12/05, 01:28 PM I can attest to this. I have left shoulder problems, and I do cable laterals now exclusively. Besides, I like the constant tension pulling back of the cables. And you can't cheat as much, so it is the best of both worlds. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything....
	2003/12/07, 03:45 PM Don't have machine for cable laterals.. I've dropped the weight and will stick to tight form and up the reps. Thanks guys.Behind the neck bb presses are no more. -------------- Living well is the best revenge. Charlie
Carivan Posts: 8,542 Joined: 2002/01/20	2003/12/07, 03:50 PM One thing to add with formform, make sure you are not locking out. And also keep your thumbs pointing to the ground. -------------- "A will finds a way" Ivan Montreal Canada
	2003/12/08, 11:20 AM Carivan,I know not to lock out. My physical therapist said to keep the dumbells pointes up whis puts the thumbs parallel to the deck basically. She also told me to do behind the neck presses. I've been told here not to EVER do these. The movement does not hurt but I have quit doing it. Right now the only exercises that cause problems or pain involve dumbells. I have reduced weight in all dumbell movements. It seems everyones opinions are different and I don't mind saying it adds to my perpetual state of confusion. This is a normal state for me. -------------- Living well is the best revenge. Charlie
Firehawk734 Posts: 295 Joined: 2002/07/31	2003/12/08, 12:22 PM When I do front laterals should i be keeping my thumbs pointed up or point them down ?
7707mutt Posts: 7,686 Joined: 2002/06/18	2003/12/08, 12:27 PM Are you also doign any type of shouldr presses? -------------- LIFT HEAVY! BECOME STRONG, LIKE BULL!
Firehawk734 Posts: 295 Joined: 2002/07/31	2003/12/08, 12:56 PM I was doing military barbell presses but now i switched to doing upright rows and on my 5th set i do laterals.
7707mutt Posts: 7,686 Joined: 2002/06/18	2003/12/08, 01:07 PM Ok, I used to do barbell presses to the front, then would do 3 sets each of front side and rear raises. Both front laterals as well as BB presses hit the same area, since then I have taken out front raises and seen a good amount of improvement. Upright rows are agreat delt and trap exericise. But I would drop off the front raises and add a set or two of barbell presses. -------------- LIFT HEAVY! BECOME STRONG, LIKE BULL!
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2003/12/08, 01:14 PM Behind the neck presses are a great exercise if done correctly. Try using the smith. Once you get the chair in the correct position, you can knock out smooth, clean reps. Superset these with light front dumbbell militaries, and a killer shoulder workout. Then do your side laterals, and follow with upright rows. They are maybe the king of trap exercises. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything....
mikencharleston Posts: 1,585 Joined: 2002/01/09	2003/12/08, 01:30 PM Charlie - Michael hit it on the head. I don't know what kind of shoulder injury you've had but once you blow your shoulder, it can take years to get back to normal and even then it may never be 100% again. Been there/done that but I still love the behind the neck movements. I just make sure and never, never let my elbows get beyond (toward the back) my shoulders in alignment. If you work out at home, this is one of the really good reasons that gyms have mirrors and home workout sites should also. If you've previously hurt your shoulder, your form is even more important than normally. Make sure the muscle that's being targeted, is actually the muscle that's being worked. I've seen quite a few of your posts and you seem to have a good handle on things so hopefully you know what I mean by that.
	2003/12/08, 01:41 PM Mikeincharleston I catch what you guys are saying. I guess its natural to want to go for max weight and strength. I am removing that particular bone from my head. It was rotator cuff surgery in June. I have already hit new p/rs on several lifts but as I said most db movements cause pain or popping if I push the weight limit. Ithink yours and the others advice is right on. Tanks mon. -------------- Living well is the best revenge. Charlie
mikencharleston Posts: 1,585 Joined: 2002/01/09	2003/12/08, 03:12 PM What can I say -- I've been around FT for awhile now and nobody would have any idea whatsoever who mikeInPensacola was. LOL Not that it makes any difference but I got used to that name. :)
Firehawk734 Posts: 295 Joined: 2002/07/31	2003/12/08, 10:46 PM I dont have a smith. I work out at home. I have a nice olympic bench with incline/decline adjust and all freeweight. I do not typically like the behind the neck workouts because i feel too much pain in my joints when I do them. Whether im doing them wrong or not, they are too awkward for me. If I do upright rows, what other exercise would then be good to superset with? Could I do reverse dumbbell flyes? ============ Quoting from bb1fit: Behind the neck presses are a great exercise if done correctly. Try using the smith. Once you get the chair in the correct position, you can knock out smooth, clean reps. Superset these with light front dumbbell militaries, and a killer shoulder workout. Then do your side laterals, and follow with upright rows. They are maybe the king of trap exercises. =============
xoxoDESSAxoxo Posts: 1 Joined: 2006/10/03	2006/10/03, 10:52 PM how do you do SIDE LATERALS?? im kind-da new 2 this and i would just love to know do 2 do it. :)
yadmit Posts: 4,670 Joined: 2003/10/05	2006/10/03, 11:18 PM Hold a db in each hand at the side of your leg or in front of your thigh and lift to the side. Careful not to go too, high... right about shoulder height. Hold for a second or two and slowly lower them. -------------- I am training for birthdays. Be here. Live. Love. Hope. Now. Faith. Believe. You. - Keith Urban They always say time changes things, but you actually have to change them yourself. - Andy Warhol