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2006/10/09, 07:05 PM
Not a lot of activity in my favorite board, so heres something to discuss.
Sumo pulling vs conventional.
I pull best conventional (I use my powerful quads to break the weight off the ground with a close stance, and then finish the lift with my back). However, heres a few things.
Sumo will often be best for shorter individuals, and individuals with powerful squats. It utilizes a shorter range of motion, and really brings the hips into the movement.
I am pulling sumo as a max effort exercise for the next 4-5 weeks. I want to use it because I really need to bring in my posterior chain more when pulling, and my hips are a major weakness as far as everything is concerned.
I also plan on opening with a sumo pull in my next competition, to save my lower back for the heavy pulling on my next attempt (or attempts, if I decide for a third).
While this may seem counter-intuitive for someone with weak hips, my back fatigues faster than my hips.
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2006/10/09, 09:25 PM
I was actually thinking of doing some sumo deads for variety...would also be a good way to strengthen my hips....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aw9yhC9cqU&NR
anyone seen this 19 yr old sumo 830?
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2006/10/09, 10:26 PM
i just did...ha. that is the biggest/oldest looking 19 year old ever.
i do sumo every once in a while, but i should probably do them to strengthen the ol' post chain too...
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2006/10/10, 09:13 AM
I used to dl sumo all the time. When I was taught in highschool....the guy sumo dl'd so that how I learned.
stoped when we got hexa bars in....I didn't learn conventional until my 1st year of college
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Get your bicep curling, cut off shirt, matching workout outfit wearing,flexing in mirror "toned" wanna-be ass , out of my squat rack!
People don't reach thier true potental, only those who seek it.
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2006/10/10, 10:34 AM
Thats what I am thinking menace. It would defianetly help me to use my hamstrings more when I pull conventional.
I plan on doing european deadlifts (throwing the shoulders back as much as possible to pull back more and put more stress on the glutes and hamstrings) for the next 4-5 weeks, switching back to wide stance squatting, and then doing conventional rack pulls a few weeks out from the contest.
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2006/10/10, 10:39 AM
Hell I am just going to be happy pulling again period. LOL
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2006/10/10, 01:09 PM
i did sumo for a while, am about 30 lbs stronger there, and i am also a shorter person, 5'6, and so ive recently made the switch to conventional deadlifts.
wrestler whats your strength diff when doing conventional vs. sumo? and whats ur pull routine look like as u are preparing for ur contest u mentioned
and what martial arts have u studied, u say u fight mma in ur profile
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2006/10/10, 03:13 PM
I do conventional. I have long legs and sumo style is just plain awkward. Today is deadlift day for me - I'll try sumo again just to get a feel for it.
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"I've up-ed my intensity.... now up yours!"
"Pain is only weakness leaving the body."
"Never think of how weak you are; think of how strong you're going to be."
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2006/10/11, 08:11 AM
Tried sumo again yesterday. Yep, it's still awkward. I feel it more in my rear groin (if there is such a thing), butt, and hips, but less in the lower back.
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--JBennett
"I've up-ed my intensity.... now up yours!"
"Pain is only weakness leaving the body."
"Never think of how weak you are; think of how strong you're going to be."
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2006/10/11, 08:58 AM
Me too hate it will not do it unless forced at gun point.
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2006/10/11, 04:22 PM
that's the point of sumo to get the load of the lower back and more on to the hips/glutes....hardest part for sumo pullers is the lockout....
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2006/10/11, 08:48 PM
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Quoting from elantraa:
wrestler whats your strength diff when doing conventional vs. sumo? and whats ur pull routine look like as u are preparing for ur contest u mentioned
and what martial arts have u studied, u say u fight mma in ur profile
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Well I pull 400+ conventional, switched to sumo and I was doing easy sets of 3 @ 315, but didn't feel like going heavy. I'll take a few weeks to get used to the movement before I break any records.
As for my routine, it focuses on hip strength, as that is my primary weakness. Right now I am doing sumo deadlifts, and then switching back to wide stance squats, and in the weeks leading up to the competition I will be doing conventional rack pulls. I only deadlift every other cycle, and really want to focus on hip strength, but would like to have some heavy weight in my hands before the meet. I plan on pulling 455 from the ground, so I would like to have at least that in my hands before the competition.
I was a wrestler through high school, and also did brazilian jui-jitsue and muay thai. Basically, once I got within a foot of anyone, they were done. No longer fighting (no one understands how much work it is), but just focusing on weightlifting.
I lift in the 148's.
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2006/10/16, 12:34 AM
Did sumo the other day....felt ALOT better on my lower back. I may Do these for a while....get some strength back.
Would lockouts sumo style help any?
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Get your bicep curling, cut off shirt, matching workout outfit wearing,flexing in mirror "toned" wanna-be ass , out of my squat rack!
People don't reach thier true potental, only those who seek it.
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2006/10/16, 04:35 PM
Not a lot of guys use sumo lockouts.
Wide stance pull throughs may be a better idea.
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