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2005/07/09, 08:21 PM
I'm interested in meeting with a nutritionist so that I can have someone makeup a daily meal plan for me. I have trouble sticking to my diet (ususally not eating enough during bulk phase for example) so, sadly, I need someone to tell me exactly what to eat and how much to eat. I think it will be much easier this way as I really don't have time to figure it out myself.
My questions: Should I meet with a nutritionist or a personal trainer? And where do I find reputable professionals without having to join a gym to speak to them?
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2005/07/09, 09:22 PM
If you meet with anyone, make sure it is a reputable nutritionist. A professional, not just one that picked up some certification of a cheerios box.
Im a certified personal trainer and nutritionist, and I can tell you personally, this means nothing. I learned nothing new about training or diet through my course. It was 4 weeks of boring. I'd recommend trying the FT Nutrition plan. I haven't used it myself, but I'm sure it costs alot less.
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The best feeling in the world is the feeling you get after a tough set of squats after you step back from the power rack and throw up all over the floor.
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2005/07/10, 06:11 AM
yeah, im a certified personal trainer and we have nothing to do with diet. see the nutritionist if you must, buit there is enough information on this site to set up a proper diet.
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2005/07/10, 08:27 AM
I have a degree that includes nutrition, but not as thorough as a nutritionist. I am also a personal trainer...
Try to find a sports nutritionist, a nutritionist that specializes in sports will give you a better plan. A nutritionist that doesn't specialize will basically set you up with a plan based on the USDA guidelines, which may not be sufficient for heavy weight training.
This is debated hotly - do trainers know enough to advise on eating plans? Do nutritionists know anything about a bodybuilder's nutritional needs?
I think some trainers do know their nutritional info (bb1fit, for example) and some nutritionists do understand sports nutrition... but in both cases there are some who aren't worth the paper that their certification is printed on.
What is the problem with the meal plans you have been given here? I think you have asked in the past and given suggestions for meal plans. If not, ask and I am sure people will pipe up and help you out.
It really is pretty simple - figure out your caloric needs, split it 40/40/20 % P/C/F. Divide that into 5 or six equal amounts. Look at the grocery list for healthy eating and pick foods from that list that fit into your caloric/macronutrient needs.
Or you can even simplify further if you aren't that into counting and planning -
Eat six small meals a day. At each meal have a serving of lean protein the size of the palm of your hand. Have a serving of complex carb (rice, brown rice, oatmeal, sweet potato, baked potato, barley, etc) the size of your closed fist, and have 1-2c fibrous veggies (salad, broccoli, greens, green beans, etc).
Now, drink adequate amounts of water, get adequate rest, see how you do and adjust up or down a little for weight loss/weight gain.
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It\'s easier to go down a hill than up it but the view is much better at the top.
-Henry Ward Beecher
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2005/07/10, 08:28 AM
Oh, and bb1fit has been running an excellent post on diet in the nutrition forum, it is a sticky, check it out.
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2005/07/10, 08:33 AM
You know, rereading your post... I think you are not being honest about your commitment level. It is easy to say - i don't have time, or I don't know... Not to be harsh, but you need to make the time if you are serious about gaining muscle. you have to take control of your situation and learn what it is you need in your diet. Learn the basic calorie and macro nutrient amounts of foods you eat, learn how to add a little or cut a liitle for results.
Trouble sticking to your diet means you are not committed. If yopu want results badly enough, stop making excuses and stick to your diet. you are the only one who can make yourself eat what you need to eat. I have those days where i say "man, I don't want to eat 6 egg whites." But I have to ask myself "do i want results? do i want more muscle? Is this important to me? Is there an alternate protein source that I can eat?" If it is important to you,you will make it happen.
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Quoting from froshman:
I'm interested in meeting with a nutritionist so that I can have someone makeup a daily meal plan for me. I have trouble sticking to my diet (ususally not eating enough during bulk phase for example) so, sadly, I need someone to tell me exactly what to eat and how much to eat. I think it will be much easier this way as I really don't have time to figure it out myself.
My questions: Should I meet with a nutritionist or a personal trainer? And where do I find reputable professionals without having to join a gym to speak to them?
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It\'s easier to go down a hill than up it but the view is much better at the top.
-Henry Ward Beecher
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2005/07/10, 09:46 AM
Great post, tell him assimmer! That's all we need. Dedication.
DX
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2005/07/10, 10:28 AM
I am dedicated to the goal. Ive been lifting for years and do not cheat on my diet. However, I am a teacher and a student, which means I work up to 15 hours a day, which is hard to balance, and I make it a point to exercise which takes another 1-1 1/2 hours a day. I barely have time to tie my shoes, nevermind measure cups of this and count calories in that. Furthermore, I get great advice here but it is very contradictory sometimes, mainly because science is very contradictory sometimes. It's very hard to discern whether things are good for whatever diet Im on or not. For example, if Im on a cutting phase (which I am), certain vegetables and fruits and breads and beans, which are naturally good for you suddenly become bad, per se (the carb thing during cutting always throws me for a loop). It's too much to keep on top of and furthermore, I have no good recipes. So I figure if I see a nurtitionist, (s)he can tell me exactly what amount of calories to eat, how to distribute them, and from what source to get them.
I am very familiar with health, Ive been reading about it for years and could probably become certified myself, but applying it is difficult sometimes. I need a reference manual in the form of an exact menu.
My dilema: I would like to meet with one who understands bodybuilding as well as nutrition, but I have no idea how to discern which are "the good ones," and where to find them. Help?
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2005/07/10, 11:58 AM
I would go to a registered dietitian. They usually have to have a masters degree in Kinesiology and Nutrition to practice.
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2005/07/10, 01:19 PM
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Quoting from froshman:
I am dedicated to the goal. Ive been lifting for years and do not cheat on my diet. However, I am a teacher and a student, which means I work up to 15 hours a day, which is hard to balance, and I make it a point to exercise which takes another 1-1 1/2 hours a day. I barely have time to tie my shoes, nevermind measure cups of this and count calories in that. Furthermore, I get great advice here but it is very contradictory sometimes, mainly because science is very contradictory sometimes. It's very hard to discern whether things are good for whatever diet Im on or not. For example, if Im on a cutting phase (which I am), certain vegetables and fruits and breads and beans, which are naturally good for you suddenly become bad, per se (the carb thing during cutting always throws me for a loop). It's too much to keep on top of and furthermore, I have no good recipes. So I figure if I see a nurtitionist, (s)he can tell me exactly what amount of calories to eat, how to distribute them, and from what source to get them.
I am very familiar with health, Ive been reading about it for years and could probably become certified myself, but applying it is difficult sometimes. I need a reference manual in the form of an exact menu.
My dilema: I would like to meet with one who understands bodybuilding as well as nutrition, but I have no idea how to discern which are "the good ones," and where to find them. Help?
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If you are busy 15 hours a day I would be more worried about getting the proper amount of restrather than your diet first. You can eat whatever you want, but if you can't get enough rest, no amount of good nutrition will help.
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2005/07/10, 03:46 PM
froshman, for your situation i wouldnt worry about hitting exactly every calorie of this and every gram of that. just stick to a healthy diet, like asimmer outlined, which will suit your needs much better. find a guideline (ie 3000 cals or whatever) and just divide it up like she said across 5-6 meals. a peanut butter and sandwich here, a bowl of oatmeal and some eggs there, its not as hard as we all perceive it to be.
even eating your 3 regular meals, with snacks in between would suffice. being a teacher i know it would be hard to cook and plan things for a busy school day, as you have other priorities. in all reality, very few of us will actually make a living out of bodybuilding, so focussing on staying healthy with diet and exercise is a much more achievable goal.
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2005/07/10, 11:50 PM
Yeah, my goal is just to be healthy, have a healthy physique etc. I eat healthy already. It's just getting the physique I want that is difficult. The general rules are hard to apply often. For example, its generally bad to eat late meals. However, i work out when I get home then need to go to bed an hour later in order to maintain my 8 hours rest. What do I do? Its things like this that are hard for me to deal with and I think professional assistance might be beneficial.
Its not like I eat McDonalds. I eat wholesome. I just need help in getting the six pack... or building more muscle... or whatever my goal is at the time, and diet is usually my downfall because I don't balance my calories well or I don't consume enough or whatever.
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2005/07/11, 08:31 AM
You always need a post workout shake, no matter what time it is. you want to prevent further catabolism and enhance recovery.
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It\'s easier to go down a hill than up it but the view is much better at the top.
-Henry Ward Beecher
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2005/07/11, 06:51 PM
Is that the only thing i should consume?
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2005/07/11, 07:49 PM
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Quoting from asimmer:
You always need a post workout shake, no matter what time it is. you want to prevent further catabolism and enhance recovery.
I know you say that, but can't you still get results without it, I mean that stuff is for serious body or power lifters right
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2005/07/17, 07:29 PM
MY HUSBAND IS A REGISTERED DIETICIAN......HE DOES MEAL PLANNING ACCORDING TO HOW YOU WOULD LIKE RESULTS TO BE...SO GIVE ME A BUZZ..... HE HELPS ME LOTS!
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2005/07/18, 01:06 PM
What is his background?
By the way, how much do dieticians/nutritionists charge typically?
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