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2005/03/05, 07:37 AM
ok I have a question, almost everything on this site is completely different information than what the trainers at every gym I have been to, ever told me. I don't understand why, not to be offensive, but don't personal trainers all have to learn the same things? I mean a lot of the information on this site makes complete sense to me, but completely opposite of what the trainer at gym tell me. Also i used to exercise a lot in highschool and even the gym teacher and my old coaches were wrong compared to this site. I was also told to do cardio in the morning before eating, have been for years and I recently saw something on here saying to strength train in the morning and do cardio at night because of the cortisol thing, and losing muscle. that scared the crap out of me so I did exactly what you said, i think it was bb1 or something. the moderator. yeah so I lost 3 pounds within a week doing what you said!! so I go tell my personal trainer at the gym and she said it was just a fluke, wasn't because of the times of exercise and she still said stick too cardio in the morning. I am seriously starting to doubt what a lot of personal trainers say because so many of them give completely different information. not on ft ofcourse.:big_smile: but yes, someone please clarify why so many personal trainers, young or old have argueing opinions.
ps. I will have a pic loaded soon I think, as soon as a moderator like approves it. so them I just won't be an invisible nobody anymore.
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2005/03/05, 07:58 AM
there's a lot of misinformation that persists to this day...for example stretching before exercising....and it's been shown counter productive by recent rsearch...static stretching that is...there are many more examples of this...yet many trainers/people persist to the old beliefs....there are also certain things which are up to a person's preference....weight training is bet done in the afternoon when the body temp is higher...so less warm up is required ...but nevertheless...it's not a huge deal...and things like this...
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2005/03/05, 08:09 AM
let me also add...that in gyms there are often 'gym trainers' who barely know anything ...they just pass a weekly certification...or some with none at all...(some less reuptable clubs esp...)...on this site...many of the people have been trainign for years and know things first hand besides just reading things in a text book...or online....we also have more access to information at our fingertips...being online and ability to verify things...and reach a consensus...
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2005/03/05, 08:13 AM
well i def do NOT want to lose muscle. scary, I am already a weakling as it is, small framed petite genes, although me being kinda lazy with the weights is a factor. but I dont want to lose the muscle I DO have just because I have been givin the wrong info for several years by other people. who the hell knows how much I have already lost!! lol not yellin at you, just kinda irritated and confused.
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2005/03/05, 08:15 AM
yes, but my current gym is on base, an AF base for active duty, I feel they should know these things. I mean they train the military. understandable, wow though, I didn't know that some of them only have to pass a weekly certification, thats nuts! great info. a little more leary now though...
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2005/03/05, 11:10 AM
Just as the dietary "protein experts" were wrong for years, many of the folks you thought were "experts" in the past and even now were and are wrong. When something becomes "conventional wisdom", it dies a long, hard death.
I went through one of the top organiztions for personal training, and I had to bite my tounge through much of it because I did not want to cause problems in the class. Many personal trainers are cookie cutter types, and anyone these days with a bump on his arm can be a personal trainer.
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2005/03/05, 11:14 AM
You have to remember here that the army, af, etc. has a different training protocol than a bodybuilder. Their number one training method is for endurance. In this case, if the shoe fits, wear it. They train for the harshest conditions, such as no water for long periods of time, no resources of any kind available, basically survival. Is this what you are training for? Do you plan to be running through deserts being chased with full gear on, just to survive, no nutrients available to you for hours, days, etc.? You need to question what it is you want to do.
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yes, but my current gym is on base, an AF base for active duty, I feel they should know these things. I mean they train the military. understandable, wow though, I didn't know that some of them only have to pass a weekly certification, thats nuts! great info. a little more leary now though...
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2005/03/05, 02:50 PM
Well bb1fit, no I am not training to be in the military, my husband is in the airforce. Their dependants are welcome to the gym anytime. sorry If I was confusing. the woman who is my personal trainer is in the military, so I am thinking that she herself was taught the military way. I am not trying to be in the military, just have better myself physically, boost my speed and endurance, along with strength.*ponders* maybe I need to go to a civilian gym, because you do make a good point. although, they were wrong all the time too, according to this site. frustrating and confusing. can't I just eat right and exercise as often as possible without overstraining myself? that seems logical i think. oh yeah, another confusing thing, both the trainers on base I talk to said not to eat six small meals a day, it will make me fat!. but NOPE did not happen. I have been eating like that for two weeks now and I feel better than I ever have, and it made me Lose weight, what with the additional info I got from you earlier about cardio and weights. THANKS
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2005/03/05, 04:54 PM
I made a post called identifying your goals a while back.
This is key, but even when you do this, you need to be smart about reaching them.
I do not like to knock other trainers, but lets face it, some do not keep up with/or maybe just don't care to know the best techniques to reach goals. Each client is unique, and has to be trained as so.
On the other hand, the BASICS apply to all. It is very common knowlege that more frequent eating boosts metabolism, not to mention supplies frequent nutrients for needed bodily adaptations.
I used to have some heated arguments with dietary clinicians over protein consumption. Some with the highest degrees from the top universities failed to realize the protein needs for a resistance training athelete for example with all others. Most have finally seen the error of their ways, their are a few still out there. :)
For eating patterns you can look to the elk and the bear. The elk grazes all day, moves, and is lean and muscular. On the other hand, the bear eats a few large meals, hibernates, and is big and fat. Though it is an analogy that uses animals, it holds true also for humans.
The only thing that will make you fat is surpassing your maintenance calories. If you go above them, the propensity to store fat is quite possible. If you eat less frequently, like 3 meals per day, that is an average of 5-6 hrs. between feedings. Your metabolic rate will slow to compensate waiting for the next feeding, thus exasperating the situation, and in that slowing time between meals, will feast on lean tissue for amino acids needed for anything, thus slowing metabolism even more as lean tissue is your fat burning furnace. How many times have you heard someone say, I don't eat any more than I used to, yet I am gaining weight? Their lean tissue has been eroded over time, and their fat to muscle ratio has worsened. Metabolic rate has thus slowed, and this is the reason for the weight gain.
I went long here, but hope it makes sense. :big_smile:
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2005/03/06, 10:29 PM
You know actually I was thinking the same thing, about animals, except I was comparing my house cat with my Hamster!! because she eats all day, but just a little at a time, and she is sleek. the hamster on the other hand gobbles food about 1 time per day and is FAT. (yes it gets exercise, when its not being lazy)
As for the trainers at base, there description was to never eat anything bigger than your fist and only 4 times a day to lose weight, and to Gain weight, eat six times a day, with the portions being bigger than your hand. But OBVIOUSLY this is wrong. maybe that is what they do in boot camp, but then again those new enlistments are working out 24-7 almost.
Yes you make perfect sense, even though I had to read it a few times to get it. oh my, that part about the lean tissue being eroded over time SCARED me. ok. This is all new and exciting for me, I didn't know that just food had so many different effects on the body. I mean everyone I know grew up on 3 square meals a day, I think why they did that is because they only ate when they felt hungry. I guess that's my fault for my knoweledge in that area being so limited... But I am learning. Thank you very much for the help
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2005/03/07, 12:32 AM
Glad to help. :):dumbbell::)
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2005/03/07, 04:43 AM
I think all these analogy's to animals is rediculous. A good trainer would look at the facts for each indevidual and the background that comes with them. Are they for instance ecto endo or meessa morph, what there family history is like ect. you cant just lump every one together. Animals have there physical form due mainly to genetics, my dog lies around all day eats and gets an ocasional walk, she is still fit and muscular a gerbal on the other hand scurries around all day and runs around in a wheel non stop and yet carries lots more fat than the lazy dog. People carry fat on there body's for many different reasons, it could be that a person posseses more fast twitch fibers than low twitch thus have a lower energy turn over rate. some people have more leptin than others which can lead to an increased appitite, thyroid malfunction ect ect. I wish it was as simple as the animal anology but theres a lot more to it than that.
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2005/03/07, 10:18 AM
There is a lot of information out there....just because it is all different doesn't mean it is all wrong. What works for one person may not necessarily work for another. New information is coming out every year...every month practically...on new more efficient ways of doing things...this does not mean that the old way was wrong...maybe not as effective but not wrong. Where I took my PT certification gave slightly different information than where a friend of mine did...but neither were wrong.
Goals, starting body condition, health limitations, schedule limitations will all affect the various protocols....
Find yourself a good qualified trainer....ask where he/she got the training....and talk to previous clients if you really want to see results....
Good luck
Pat
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2005/03/07, 11:05 AM
The animal analogy was just a simple thing for her to relate to. It must be taken in the context it was used in. Lighten up people, it was explained in that same post about metabolisme, etc. :)
In my post, this is a direct quote..."Each client is unique, and has to be trained as so."
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2005/03/07, 11:09 AM
ironmongo...You're right that there are many factors that go into each person's body, but I think the animal analogies work on a basic level. If you eat several small meals instead of a few big meals per day, your metabolism should increase (barring serious health issues). We all have our genetic weaknesses....some are built to be heavy, others rail thin, but I've seen people of all types overcome these "limitations." I think if we choose our personal goals wisely and have a reasonable plan of attack, we can have a consistent community of knowledge that applies to most everybody, much like here on FT.
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2005/03/07, 02:50 PM
If you are wondering who to believe, most of the people on this site give reasons to back up what they say, or someone will call bull on them. Most personal trainers don't. Also, you guys are talking about the 1 week PT course. I am a certified PT and i didn't take a single class. I just passed the test. In a lot of areas the 1 week course is optional.
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Only a man who knows what it is like to be defeated can reach down to the bottom of his soul and come up with the extra ounce of power it takes to win when the match is even.
steve
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2005/03/07, 03:42 PM
bb1. your post was ok but missconcieved a little, and taken out of context. My post was aimed at the follow up from spun117. Looking at how other speicies behave will not give us an acurate picture as to our own physiology although I do agree that anology's are usefull in the right place.
Mzakal, you are right, but to have such a community we must be able to question each other from time to time.
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