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2005/09/27, 12:50 AM
wrestler u rock...i got my 2 original grippers from weight lifters and I bought the recent one from heavy grips(I originally confused it with COC).....
my tough one is MS....so it's 265 not 200....at least i think so...
thanks
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2005/09/27, 03:13 PM
the weights should be taken very lightly, as each different gripper manufacturer has a different way of measuring them. The weights here should be more accurate, as they were all done by the same company. The wire size is what you should go by.
I will try to find what the heavy grips weigh in here.
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If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/09/27, 06:43 PM
I think I also found part of my problem....I tended to push more with the fingertips...yesterday it finally dawned on me to put the gripper deeper in the palm and press mroe with the inside of the palm...and i had significantly more strength....so I will try doing it this way now....
those are huge differences...I don't understand how the manufacturers could blunder so badly in measuring the grippers....I mean good luck to me if all the 45s were labelled as 10s....and i tried to bench press with those...o well....at least I am glad u knew about this ....so u set us correct on this...
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2005/09/29, 12:20 PM
This is called setting the gripper. Practice both with sets and without, for overall hand strength.
Its not that they made errors, they just measure the weight differently. Ironmind measures from the middle of the handle, while I believe beef builders measure from the end. Thats why most people go by wire sizes.
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Your two most important minerals: Iron and Chalk.
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/09/29, 06:31 PM
how close do the grippers transfer to other grip intensive exercises like deadlift? If I am able to deadlift about 510-520lb....then shouldn't I be able to close the 255-260lb worth of resistance on the gripper or close to it?
I also find that when I deadlift...I have easier time holding on to the bar using almost like a finger tip hold then the rolling it up in the hand...
Also when deadlifting I use wet piece of paper towel and wrap it around places where I would hold the bar....easing the pain on my palms....I'm wondering if u think this makes it harder or easier?....because without them I can't do it as the bar digs into my skin/calluses....but with them, the bar is slightly thicker and harder to hold I would think....
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2005/09/30, 04:29 AM
Got my heavygrip gripper today 150lb....opened it....at 1:20AM....did 30 reps with each hands easily....hand about 10-15 more per hand....hmm....seems like there's a big difference between beefbuilder grippers and heavygrips....I used to do about this many reps with the 80lb version of beefbuilder.....
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2005/09/30, 04:37 AM
yea, did 40 on 2nd set...I guess i am ordering 200 and 250 from them....i think i should have just ordered from the same company...to keep in line with their measurements....if only i could ahve remembered their name back when i was ordering heavygrip... lol
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2005/10/03, 12:50 PM
Its ok to mix and match. When I first started training my grip, I got the number 1 and 2 from CoC. I was strong enough to close the number 1 for reps, but could barely budge the number 2, so I got a beefbuilder Super Advanced to bridge the gap. Same thing as adding plates to the bar.
As for deadlifitng, have you tried any thick bar deadlifting??? I think that would have more carry over than the grippers. I'm surprised that you still have problems with callouses, mine have toughened up to the point where the only thing that breaks them is if I climb really hard.
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Your two most important minerals: Iron and Chalk.
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/10/03, 06:50 PM
no thick bars at our gyms....
and the calluses still rip...like i was saying ....this is why i started putting wet paper towel underneath the places I grab the bar...(I wrap the wet paper towel around the bar where I put my hands...)
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2005/10/04, 02:19 AM
got my HeavyGrip 200 and 250 today...very disappointed yet again
tried 1 rep with 250, got easily with both hands....tried my Beefbuilder 200(MS) and couldn't close it.....
then I did
HG250-10 reps with each hand, had maybe 1-2 left
.....HG200-10+0 reps with right, 6+0 reps with left
HG250-7+0 reps with right, 5+1 reps with left
HG250-3+0 reps +3 sec closed hold on last rep with right, 3+0 reps+5 sec closed hold with left....on this set my left was stronger, I should have tried for another or two reps...
I am surprised that I can do HG250 for 10-12 reps yet struggle to close BeefBuilder200(MS) for 1 rep on a good day...just don't understand it...hopefully I can use these HG200&250 to progress to the beefbuilder gripper i got...
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2005/10/04, 03:40 PM
I think I might have some good advice for you menace...
Are your callouses raised up, like they protrude past the normal skin??? Because if they do, and this is something that I learned from a rock climber with heavily calloused hands, is to sort of file down your callouses so that they are smoother and less likely to rip. I started doing it, and my callouses rarely rip anymore, usually only after some real heavy climbing. Just a thought, but it might be something to try. I know that when I was deadlifting heavy, I only calloused in certain areas, and then these callouses ripped off, so it could work...
Just order the grippers in order of difficulty, not weight... Like I said, different manufacturers use different standards, and not even 2 of the same grippers are exactly alike. As long as you know you are getting closer on grippers that are difficult for you, then you are progressing.
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Your two most important minerals: Iron and Chalk.
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2005/10/04, 06:10 PM
I usually file down my calluses...and they end up lower than my normal skin....
I guess I'll order HG300...if I close it, I can get 'certified'...lol...I am guessing it's the closest thing to Beefbuilder 200lb(MS)....so i'll give it a 3rd try...
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2005/10/06, 01:19 PM
something i thought i would share with you guys, a brief tip by a rock climber that is a regular poster on the gripboard, and a good tip at that...
What are finger curls?
Using a regular Olympic bar (or other standard sized bar, not a fat bar), stand up with the bar in a curl grip - keeping the arms straight, let the bar roll down as far as possible towards the fingertips - then with the strength of the fingers and hand only - roll the bar back up into a closed hand grip - repeat. this is finger curls. I do them in a power rack as the weight gets heavy. When the weight goes up, you may find yourself "cheating" some with your thighs, don't worry about it, just keep piling on plates. Keep the reps low, 3 to 5 is good. I consider this a sort of "secret weapon" grip strength movement. I learned it from Todd Skinner, a world class rock climber many years ago. He learned it from Russian speed climbers. A lot of my climbing friends swear by it but for whatever reason, it seems to have excaped the grip trainers. It seems you don't have access to a lot of specilized grip tools, I thought you could do this one about anywhere. Work into it gradually like any thing else new and it will increase your grip - I promise you.
By Climber511
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Your two most important minerals: Iron and Chalk.
If you smoke or don’t wear your seatbelt, please don’t tell me the deadlift is dangerous.
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2006/01/11, 11:40 PM
http://www.dieselcrew.com/articles/Iwantapony.pdf
Really great article, I closed the page, but I believe it was by todd wilson.
I really like the ideas of overloaded concentrics and manipulating the resistance through the use of rubberbands.
I have read A LOT of grip training related stuff, articles, books, posts, etc, and this article really gives some new ideas I haven't really heard of previously.
Cheap too.
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2006/01/17, 01:12 PM
http://www.elitefitnesssystems.com/documents/pony.pdf
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2006/01/17, 08:23 PM
Same article, different source. I haven't been checking efs as often lately.
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The squat cage is holy ground.
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2006/04/07, 10:09 PM
Bump for a certain softball player we all know and love ;-)
I'll add in here that you should focus on lots of extensor strength and leveraging.
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Iron and chalk.
Pain is only temporary, it is in your mind. If you can still walk, then you can still run.
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2006/04/08, 01:14 AM
how much a week can i train my grip i got a gel grip balls from gnc today and its pretty good
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2006/04/08, 01:58 AM
thanks for the bump, wrestler. this is a great read. : )
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2006/04/08, 06:47 PM
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Quoting from null:
There's a lot of different aspects to grip training....although working aspects that apply to what you need most is best...
Supporting
Crushing
Pinching
Bending
Tearing
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I like to think that there are only 4 basic ones:
Crushing
Pinching
Support
Wrist
BTW, great topic! If it's grip strength, I know the subject well. I am a certified Captain Of Crush, certified Mash Monster... among other things.
I found this forum, thought I'd sign up and see what happens from there!
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2006/04/09, 01:00 AM
For anyone thats not in the loop, sybersnott is a member of the gripboard, t-nation, and a few of the other forums here. Treat him with respect, he knows his stuff.
Sybersnott, this is our condensed version of all the info I have picked up elsewhere. I like to think its a great topic as well.
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Iron and chalk.
Pain is only temporary, it is in your mind. If you can still walk, then you can still run.
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2006/04/09, 02:49 PM
wrestler do you go by the same name on t-nation? i never see you over there... im on there too.. kinda inactive tho
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2006/04/09, 08:07 PM
I am, but I do not post as frequently. Same name, same avatar. I dont post on gripboard as frequently either.
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Iron and chalk.
Pain is only temporary, it is in your mind. If you can still walk, then you can still run.
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2006/04/10, 03:26 PM
thanks yall
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2006/04/10, 06:38 PM
I'm on t-nation as Bizzurk31, but I haven't ever posted...just read articles by Tate, Berardi, etc.
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2006/05/17, 12:35 AM
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For anyone thats not in the loop, sybersnott is a member of the gripboard, t-nation, and a few of the other forums here. Treat him with respect, he knows his stuff.
Sybersnott, this is our condensed version of all the info I have picked up elsewhere. I like to think its a great topic as well.
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Thanks for the compliment! I try to get around to various forums spreading the gospel of GRIP... I'll try to make it back here as much as I can.
UPDATE - I recently got ahold of Chad Woodall's Heavy Grips HG350, this is the new gripper that just came out from the Heavy Grips camp. They call it the GRIP MONSTER! :angry: I call it something else (um, like a HG400 spring set on regular gripper handles). If you can close the HG300, give this thing a shot. I was doing some videotape closes of it this past weekend :big_smile: ...that's all for now!
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certified Captain Of Crush
certified GripBoard Mash Monster
1st person to complete the Emerson Challenge
Winner of the t-nation \"Are You A Grip God?\" contest
Heavy Grips GRIPPER KING - October 2005
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2006/05/20, 11:10 PM
good to have you here syber
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2006/12/12, 02:18 PM
bump
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2007/08/09, 04:33 PM
bump for Mutt.
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SQUAT MORE ~Jesse Marunde
Mortal by birth.
Strongman by the grace of god.
Blood Guts Sweat Chalk
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2007/11/03, 11:15 AM
bump
http://www.youtube.com/v/6h03VjUhUSo
my 2+1 close right handed of 2006 COC#3...
I am at full strength able to get about 4-5 parallel closes right hand and I am simdge off with left hand...I am smidge off on my BBE righthanded
I am also practicing on lifting my blob50...I am also practicing tearing decks of cards. Plan to soon get back to my bending also.
What have you guys done with your grip? What are your current goals?
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2007/11/03, 11:20 AM
I'd like to be able to clean 200 on the thick bar, but that will take some work (can only deadlift it for a few reps double overhand right now).
A more immediate goal, is during my extra workouts once a week I do shrugs DOH, I'd like to be able to hold and shrug 315 for 10 reps sometime soon.
I just got my number 2 really close the other day after not using them for a while, so I'll close that soon, so that puts me a couple years off the number 3.
And this might seem weird, but I'm working on reverse wrist curling right not in an attempt to keep extensors and flexors balanced. I'll be happy when I can get 70 for strict reps off the table.
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SQUAT MORE ~Jesse Marunde
Mortal by birth.
Strongman by the grace of god.
Blood Guts Sweat Chalk
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2008/01/10, 10:11 PM
This is definetely one of the more useful posts on FT; I personally think that it should be stickied.
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2008/01/12, 03:16 PM
DB Rows may be my favorite grip exercise now. After a few heavy sets of rows, I can barely close my number 1.
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SQUAT MORE ~Jesse Marunde
Blood Guts Sweat Chalk
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2008/01/13, 12:32 AM
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DB Rows may be my favorite grip exercise now. After a few heavy sets of rows, I can barely close my number 1.
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Really? I wouldn't though that a few sets of heavy dls wouldn've done better for grip training...
Can anyone hang from a pullup bar using fingertips only, straight armed, and pull themself up by closing their hands?
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2008/01/13, 10:53 AM
Yes really. Once you get to the 100lb db's in our gym, the handle is slightly thicker, and the bar is much more likely to roll out of your hand at the bottom since you aren't setting it on the ground. In fact, I've found double overhand SLDL's to be better than deadlifts for grip training, but that still doesn't even come close to comparing to the rows.
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SQUAT MORE ~Jesse Marunde
Blood Guts Sweat Chalk
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2008/01/17, 12:33 AM
Climbing up a thinner rope works grip like you wouldn't believe.
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