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2004/03/23, 06:18 PM
it really pisses me off when people say theyre on the atkins diet. Its so unhealthy particularly in the long run. Majority of foods with no carbs are LOADED with fat and cholesterol. ex: pepperoni and pork rinds. To lose weight just eat better and less and exercise more... its really that simple. Mr. Atkins is one of the stupidest people to walk this earth. total chaos i tell you:laugh:
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2004/03/23, 06:25 PM
I was on the atkins diet, and I lowered my Colesterol, lost weight, learned an appreciation for Protien, learned about the "Craving" differance between carbs and Protien, if you take it for face value or the ever popular "Atkins is all about eating NO carbs!!! that is stupid!!! he is stupid!!!" makes a person stupid, read the book before you critisize, and contrary to popular belief, it is a life style not a diet... one that most body builders are on. Simply put, Lots of protien = healthy body. less carbs = loss of fat weight. at your ideal weight balance your carbs and protiens to your bodys preferance (some people eat more carbs and do not gain weight than others, you have to find your balance)
I really hate the anti-Atkins mentality, it is the pinical of ignorance.
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2004/03/23, 06:28 PM
Couldn't have said it better myself Relique!
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If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter; for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.--- Desiderata, Max Ehrmann, 1927
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2004/03/23, 06:30 PM
ok i understand your take on this but everyone i have ever met on the "diet" had been shovin pork rinds in their mouth and they hardly exercise. you seem to hve a much better understanding than others i have run across:)
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2004/03/23, 06:40 PM
It may be tied into ginetics, I duno, I am not an expert, but it worked for my mother (it was recomended to her to help her build up the tissue in her knee, the protien aspect) in addition to that, she lost 20 pounds, it does not work for my wife, but she is addicted to carbs, I love red meat, it worked for me. Keep this in mind... atkins is not about eating fatty foods, it is about protien intake.. so no, pork rinds would be a bad idea, but make a great snack!!... if you like them:( Also, due to the fast paced buisiness world we live in, a lot of people can't work out more than half an hr every few days, I used to live like that (hu-rah! Air Force! solved that problem) and if you cant "spend" the energy guess what, you store it! So, for people with an inactive life style, Atkins is perfect, so this fools says. Learn from a fool or read the book I guess.
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2004/03/23, 08:12 PM
Well said Relique.....The bottom line here, whether it is Atkins, WW, southbeach, etc, call them diets, but it's all about educating ourselves to eat healthy and be able to keep up the healthy eating, with exercise.
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2004/03/23, 08:44 PM
I suspect that Atkins won't be long-term simply because it'll fade in due time.
High protein is the only thing a bodybuilding diet and Atkins have in common.
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2004/03/24, 10:14 AM
Carbs are not evil!
You shouldn't exclude or severely limit any food group
By all means use protein to curb your appetite but there's absolutely no need to specifically restrict carbs -
I can guarantee I will not become diabetic or obese if I continue to eat 4 slices of wholemeal bread and a bowl of muesli a day (despite their high carb content), in fact I'm willing to put money on it!
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2004/03/24, 12:13 PM
Carbs = Energy. Protien = body building material
If your stomach wants food, and you eat protien, you will use it for muscle or tissue rebuilding.. if you eat carbs you will use the energy or store it. If you store it you get fat... basic consept, no one is saying Carbs are bad, the idea is basicaly fill up with water and protien, and you will feel full, real basic, not evil
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2004/03/24, 12:52 PM
If you look at the atkins diet it has become a fad. Many people expect to lose weight when they are on the atkins diet. That is not the case. You have to workout along with the atkins diet to have it be successful. If you don't you are just wasting you time. The atkins diet is not a miracle diet.
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2004/03/24, 02:11 PM
Atkins is a life style, not a diet, those that do not understand that concept will fail, those that do, prevail. It is not a fad, though it may take on a new name, it has been around for 5+ years, just due to Atkin's death did it become more... "debated?" would probably be the right word. Also, anyone that thinks that acording to Atkins you don't have to exercise needs to read before they critisize.
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2004/03/24, 03:07 PM
>Carbs = Energy. Protien = body building material
If you eat too many calories regardless of the source (carbs fat or protein) you will store them as fat
Y&ou are right that you need to eat enough protein to provide sufficient amino acids to support/build lean tissue though.
If you eat insufficient carbs your training will suffer due to lack of muscle glycogen
My own personal theory is that the people who do really well on Atkins are those who weren't eating enough protein before they started, and those who don't do so well are people who were
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2004/03/24, 03:50 PM
Just a thought:)...My mother started atkins 2 years ago. When she started her body fat % was 38% She continued her regular exersize routine, the only thing that changed was her diet. She recently got a membership at a new gym and had her body fat % taken again. It had jumped from 38% to 46% Once again, the only thing she changed was her eating habits(doing atkins) so that says to me that maybe it's not a good thing in the long run.
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2004/03/24, 04:04 PM
I think alot of people don't realise that just like every other type of "diet" Atkins is NOT for everyone. Relique <my hubby> had success with it, I didn't. I depends on the person and also on where you are getting your protien from, if you are eating fatty protien then you aren't gonna lose weight, if you eat chicken, fish, lean beef and the like most people will. My 2 cents at least.
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2004/03/24, 04:19 PM
Depriving yourself of carbs does not make sense to me. My wife does Atkins and it works for her. Me, I say give me a baked potato with my steak.
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2004/03/25, 09:07 AM
Those that comment that it's a fad need to re-examine their marketing books. A fad doesn't last for long a season or two at the most. The Atkins approach has been around for nearly thrity years. FAD...I don't think so.
For those that have their doubts and haven't bothered to equip themselves with knowledge ...go read the book or visit their website www.atkins.com
As a user of the eating routines setout by Atkins and being a person concerned for my health and well being I am always receptive to constructive comment or critisism, but if you have no fact to back it up then plpease hold back on the argument, you aren't serving anyone least of all yourselves.
An earlier thread asked if the Atkins worked...in my opinion and from my experience with it it DOES work. My sister is an example she shed 70 pounds, I am an example I shed 50 pounds and all my vitals are perfect...
If you can dispute the facts and prove to me that this approach causes heart failure or anything, please do so I will change my ways immediatly.
Warren.
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2004/03/25, 09:25 AM
Well said Nerraw.
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2004/03/25, 09:36 AM
aktins is dead and when he died he was almost 300lbs!!:surprised:
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2004/03/25, 09:44 AM
When he died he weighed in at 258 but the hospital records were released and it showed that at the time of his admission, he weighed only under 200. The extra weight was due to his condition - coma, water retention, etx
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2004/03/25, 09:47 AM
I agree, I have used the Atkin's approach for some time now and had great success with it. I lost the weight and then built myself up on good carbs and I couldn't be healthier. If you really read the book and understand the concept and UNDERSTAND that good carbs are not something that you are supposed to banish for the rest or your life, then I think it is great.
If you will complain, do it about the person who would just drop down to bacon and steak all day. That's not healthy. Likewise, it is unhealthy for the person who would eat Snack Well cookies all day in the name of "low fat" dieting.
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2004/03/25, 09:55 AM
Yes, and it has been noted that he had heart disease stemming from cardiomyopathy, a specific condition thought to result from a viral infection.
His weight was gained between his accident and his death, and in fact Atkins weighed less than 200 pounds at the time he was injured. At about 6', that is not fat in my book.
Here is an excerpt from an article published about his death:
"During his coma, as he deteriorated and his major organs failed, fluid retention and bloating dramatically distorted his body and left him at 258 pounds at the time of his death, a documented weight gain of over 60 pounds," the doctor said in a written statement.
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When he died he weighed in at 258 but the hospital records were released and it showed that at the time of his admission, he weighed only under 200. The extra weight was due to his condition - coma, water retention, etx
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2004/03/25, 10:25 AM
thanks Hec...and judging by your picture you have no need to even consider the Atkins...keep up the meat and potatoes, wish I could do the same, for now the potato is a treat that is being reintroduced to my diet.
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2004/03/25, 10:58 AM
Very well said dfly411 and nerraw!! Though it didn't work for me <couldn't give up my morning toast :) > I did my research and know peeps it has worked for. That and I wish people would just let the poor man rest in peace instead of debating his dying weight!
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2004/03/25, 11:12 AM
lol I am so happy to see a few other people besides myself and my wife that understand the Atkins mentality. And Hec, damn strait eat that potato, you (judging by your picture) are eating good carbs, and enough of them, along with your protien! Atkins is not for everyone, as the books say. It is for the people that do not eat enough protien, think about it, every work has a vending machine, and they are full of carbs, you can go to a fast food place walking out with a full meal, full of french fires, soda, and a tiny meat patty, that has more fat than Protien in it, but it is full of catsup, mayo, or my favorit, "special sauce" The people that give in to THOSE two things NEED to read, and understand Atkins, very few people on this website need it, hell, most of them do it, but just use a differant name, same concept. *gets off soap box*
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2004/04/22, 07:07 AM
I don't eat pork rinds, that's disgusting..
Tell me what's so wrong with a day like this;
1)Scrambled 2 egg omelette, red pepper, 2 oz prawns...
2)an apple...
3)4 oz Chicken breast with 4 asparagus tips...
4)After training a peanut butter wholegrain bread...
5)6 0z fresh mackerel grilled, with brocolli and cauliflower
6)A hand of walnuts or brazils and/or celery...
Loads of water and green tea totalling about 90 carbs maximum all meals all day- past the induction phase, but still Atkins. With 5+ fruits/veg, not hungry and don't feel the need to eat all that list. The next day change the egg for Bran flakes and soya milk or semi skim, different veg too.
That is not too bad when you consider the plan is adding another 10 to 15 carbs each week and is not based solely on the egg and bacon or is it?
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2004/04/22, 07:28 AM
neiltilley - the only thing i see wrong is not enough calories....
Wow, this subject has been hashed out so many times.
Atkins helped make people aware of the impact processed carbohydrates have on their blood sugar and insulin levels and how that erlates to body fat. Another thing he aided in was the debunking of the myth that dietary fat makes you fat or raises your cholesterol.
The plan is a decent one, if you follow the guidelines for supplementation and you don't stay in the induction phase forever.
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2004/04/22, 04:54 PM
Atkins does work, however when I went "off" of it I gained it back. No use arguing over it cause everyone has an opinion, all you have to do is find what works for you. Carbs are not bad, neither is protein nor startches.....Its finding that perfect balance of the 3 or 4 whatever. Weither its 70% protein.....and whatever Find that thats the key
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2004/04/22, 09:51 PM
It has been a long time since I tried Atkins, with no success, although it worked for my hubby. I can't remember but are you supposed to have a limit on the number of calories eaten? I know you are supposed to count carbs, but I can't remember the rest. I see people eating 2x what they normakkly ate just because itis low carb. That can't work can it? If yoiu have been eating say 2000 calories a day and you want to lose weight can going up to 3500 actually help, even if it is all fat and protein???? This is what boggles my mind.
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...Do not be discouraged; everyone who got where he is, started where he was.--anon
...There are no shortcuts to any place worth going.--Beverly Sills
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2004/04/23, 09:08 AM
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Atkins does work, however when I went "off" of it I gained it back.
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This is the thing that gets me with most people that do low carb. They all say as soon as they went off it the weight came back.
These low carb diets are a life style change. You are to never go off it.
For myself, at my peak weight I was 335. With eating better and exercise I dropped 25 pounds in 2 years. Then my wife and I started carb watching. Now I am down another 30 pounds in 15 weeks. I know now that I can never go off of this life style change. I have changed the way I think about food.
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2004/04/23, 09:53 AM
ANDREW oops, caps lock, many people lose a lot of water weight when they go off carbs, so up to 14lbs will be regained when you go back to eating carbs.
Carbohydrates are important for many things in your system. You need them to get you through intense training and recovery.
Eat fresh fruit, vegetables and whole grains, avoid the processed foods and you will be a lot healthier and have more energy.
All of my Atkin's dieting clients plateau on their Atkins diet, we then start phasing in good, clean carbs and their energy levels rocket up and they drop more bodyfat.
Eating healthy is a lifestyle, Atkins is a way to learn about carbs and their effect on your system.
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2004/04/25, 03:45 AM
victoria, a recent study in the uk showed that although there is no guidance about calorie intake in atkins, people reduce their calorie intake when they are on atkins because of the effect of increased protein leading to decreased appetite
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2004/04/25, 10:20 PM
Oh I am not on it no more, i was just saying what happend to me......It wasn't till i watched what i put in my mouth and ate good carbs till it stayed off.
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2004/04/26, 09:30 AM
this is an interesting thread and quite an education. Especially asimmers input.. She's up there with the Gods!! On week three I have added in carbs..
I feel like I've got portion control. end of week I expect to have got to about 90g, a bit faster than the book, but still measured and sensible ish-
I know my calorie count was 'dangerously' low and easy not to be eating. 700 calories one day and I seriously was not one bit hungry,so carbs was added as eating that little by a pig like me must be wrong so now I'm on about 1200 and adding more daily(by carbs)- I'll settle on the 1700 my profile details as correct soon and eat 'normal' ...
I couldn't eat 1700 calories a day just by being 'sensible' with a good balanced diet. I believe I was out of balance on paper. Atkins has addressed my bodies needs without having to think about it much!
Someones birthday at work and I've eaten a choccy eclair(about 21g carbs)-- Naughty eh!
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2004/04/26, 12:43 PM
One of the main things that I have found with Atkins is in my parents case. They are losing weight and keeping it off. They are both unable to exercise becaue of back and leg problems so the Atkins is perfect for them at least they can try to lose the weight by correcting their diet. Like most people said do your research first before bashing something you don't know about.
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2004/04/26, 01:07 PM
I can say that dr. atkins is not one of the stupidest people walking the earth, BECAUSE HE'S DEAD! he died a short while after being in the hospital for cardiac arrest. Later, he fell and went into comotose because of a blood clot that was preventing the neccesarry blood from getting to his brain.
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2004/04/26, 01:14 PM
Um he died from a direct result of falling and fracturing his skull
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2004/04/26, 03:37 PM
Lol good point Mutt, funny how people twist or or just make up stories.
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2004/04/26, 07:59 PM
yeah, but they did remove a clot after fell, and he was in the hospital priopr to that for a heart attack. And, the articles i read never mentioned him fracturing his skull, so I guess that goes to show that the media can make you believe whatever they want. Sorry for the misinformation, but i myself was misinformed and believed it without question.
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2004/04/28, 07:36 AM
It doesn't work for you maybe.
My husband has gone from a 320 pound walking heart attack to a 245 slimming down man. He is not trying to get cut or bulked. He just needs to lose weight. As he continues this diet today, he is slowly learning how to eat properly and contral portion size. THis "diet" has done two things. It has given him the proof that he needs that he CAN lose weight. And it has opened his eyes to proper diet and nutrition. And without all this initial weight loss he would have probably never been open to hear about proper diet and nutrition and would still be getting fatter.
What works for some may not work for others. But he started a diet and has now begun to change his lifestyle....which is what fitness and weight loss is all about....Right??
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2004/04/28, 07:40 AM
To add on, I think the Atkins diet can work for many people, but I don't think it is smart in the long term. Especially if you are an active person, carbs are way to important. People can criticize this diet all they want, and a lot of times I am one of them, but I do feel it has it's benefits.
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2004/04/28, 09:00 AM
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put simply it dosent work.
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Maybe it did not work for you.
My wife and I more follow South Beach than atkins, but it took this low/better carb diet for me to start dropping weight. I am down 32 lbs in 16 weeks.
Now I understand that if I go off this diet I will put half of that back on. In water weight, but this was a life style change for me and it will remain with me for life.
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2004/04/28, 09:32 AM
Atkins works just fine... too many people have lost and kept weight off with it. And my favorite quote "well, I lost weight when I was on atkins, but when I got off it I gained it right back" Duh! that is like saying I worked out for a month, increased mass and strenght, quit, and now I am as weak as I was when I started! Common sence. And I am sure they found a blood clot in his head.... HE HAD A FRACTURED SKULL!!!
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2004/04/28, 10:33 AM
Can someone answer a questions for me?
As I understand it both Carbs and fats are sources of energy, why are carb preferable to fats?
Dale
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2004/04/28, 11:36 AM
carbs........4 calories per gram......fat 9 calories per gram.....fat is a much more comple engery source.
Oh relique, no use walking around the pot hole man , that wa sme that said that. And just so you know I was 14 When I did the adkins "diet" "lift style" whatever you all want to call it. I did not know at that time of my lift I would gain my weight back. To me adkins is not a diet or life style, its somthing to show you you don't have to eat carb when you are hungry. Humans are omnivores for a reason, you get the best of both worlds.....no matter what you think or say, a surplus of any calories will be stored as body fat period.
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2004/04/29, 06:07 PM
deaddale - carbs aren't always preferable for energy, but they are important for stored energy. fats can be utilized for fast energy before workouts when you are dieting strictly. But, carbs contain fiber, which helps you burn more calories, and carbs contain more nutrients than fats, tough you do need a healthy intake of good fats, EFAs.
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2004/04/30, 06:12 PM
blah...blah...blah....blah...blah
geeezzzzzz any rapid weight loss is not healthy especially from restricting carbs. you can not do the atkins diet and be totally committed in the gym. eventually you will peter out. caloric intake must be reduced and exercise must increase. 20 carbs a day........come on you are putting your body into shock. my bro lost 50 on atkins and has packed it back on and more.eat healthy in moderation and yes i do think white carbs need to be minimized for weight loss.ok........blah....blah......i'm through!
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2004/04/30, 06:31 PM
Everyone I have met that has tried Atkins got great results initially. Unfortunately, I have yet to meet somebody that sticks with it past 1 year.
My hat is off to people that can stick to that type of diet, I could never nor would choose to do it. I'm like hecdarec...give me my steak and potato! :)
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2004/05/24, 09:25 PM
This is my second day on the Atkins diet...I hope that I'm one of them that it works for.
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2004/05/26, 10:02 PM
My aunt has been on the atkins diet for 2 years and has recently been admitted to the hospital for CARDIOMYOPATHY! sounds suspicious to me!
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2004/05/28, 03:56 PM
I always thought that it was the kind of carbs that you put into your body. If you are having complex carbs, they are harder to break down and will be less likely to be stored as fat. The high protein is important for building muscle and the two together will help to increase the metabolism because protein is harder to break down, but with the carbs, it helps to keep your metabolism up longer.
This, with eating every 3 hours or so, will keep your metabolism burning almost constantly.
I may be wrong, I am no expert. I have just read a lot of books that say stuff like that and it has always worked for me, but then I have never really had too much of a problem with my weight.
Any of you super fit trainers that know better, or if I have heard something wrong, please feel free to put me in my place.
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