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2005/02/11, 03:28 PM
I think I posted this somewhere but I don't remember where. Anyway, they say the first 10 pounds you lose is water weight. If I wanna lose 10-15 pounds of fat, does that mean I will wind up losing 25 pounds over all? And if so, Can I regain that 10 pounds of water after withgout gaining the fat? (I don't wanna be too light).
When burning the fat, I really wanna maintain my muscle, so I was planning on having a couple of protein shakes a day. The problem is I'm going for the ab cuts, so I need to bring my body fat very low, which is hard to do, so I was wondering if my protein shake is suitable for cutting because it has sugar carbs in it, and also when I should drink a protein shake- I was thinking once after running/weight training, once mid day and once before bed. Here is the recipe:
One scoop of whey protein- (the one I use has 3 g of carbs, 2g of sugar).
One Tablespoon of natural peanut butter.
One cup of old fashioned oats.
Two cups of soy milk.
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2005/02/11, 04:09 PM
Ok, i think your misinterpretting what you've been reading. If you are losing weight very quickly, the first weight you lose will be water weight. On the atkins diet, you will lose water weight from the reduction in glycogen stores (which are mostly water). If you starve yourself, you will lose water first. However, if you lose 1-2% of your bodyweight per week, you will be losing bodyfat. And as long as you stay properly hydrated, you have nothing to worry about. For me, the last 10 pounds i lose is in water weight, but thats in the 24 hours before weigh-ins for wrestling competitions. You can lose weight without becoming dehydrated. Hop that helps.
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2005/02/11, 11:05 PM
That does help, thanks. Since you're a wrestler, you have to maintain a certain weight, so you think that protein shake I have is too carb filled to consume a couple of times a day during weight loss?
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2005/02/12, 01:18 PM
I think a lot of my problems stem from misunderstanding information, because there is so much out there. For example, the water weight question that was answered by wrestler. This entire time I thought 10 pounds of water weight was the first to come off regardless of approach to diet. Now i know better. Which is why am further intrigued by my protein shake question. I really don't understand all the carbs vs. non carbs cutting info. I know I need carbs, but I know I should limit them, which is why I need to know why the shake is too high in carbs.
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2005/02/12, 01:25 PM
A protein shake can have virtually zero carbs, or can have carbs depending on the brand. But, still the carb amount should be very minimal, and not enought to worry about.
Remember, don't get too carried away in this low carb craze. Carbs are not the enemy here, they are very much needed. It is the type of carbs moreso. This is the jist most folks don't understand and the media is doing nothing to "fix" it because they are making money off low carb everything.
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2005/02/12, 03:33 PM
A protein and carb mix is essential post workout for glycogen resynthesis ie carbs along with protein after working out will aid your recovery.
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2005/02/12, 04:49 PM
what kind of carbs should you have post workouts then...i have a protein shake ususally.....but then i have to bake a potato? whts something easy ?
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2005/02/12, 05:13 PM
You want simple carbs post workout in your shake...dextrose, maltodextrin are ideal.
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2005/02/12, 09:24 PM
I don't care for the shakes with artificial sweeteners, so the mix I use with 3 carbs in it isn't all that bad. I'm assuming it won't hinder my performance, seeing that it's, what, 14 caloried or carbs a serving?
But, I don't know id I should use soy milk and oatmeal to my mix because those have carbs, and if I'm going to be drinking this thing three times a day, it might take a toll. What do you think?
Also, is it good to drink a shake after running?
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2005/02/12, 11:29 PM
Did you read my post above?????
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2005/02/13, 02:28 PM
Hey, BB1. I did read the post. What has me confused is when you say that the shake shouldn't have enough carbs to worry about, yet you also say that carbs aren't the enemy and are very much needed. I'm trying to find the medium here. I apologize for my ignorance, but all this info has me flustered. I know eating no carbs is bad for maintaining muscle, so something like Atkins will lead me to lose a lot of muscle along with fat. Yet, too many carbs is bad for losing fat. If it's not one, and it's not the other, it must be somewhere in between, and that's the area I'm trying to find.
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2005/02/13, 02:49 PM
Madama you should not worry about carb intake post workout. This is your window of oportunity to take advantage of the recovery process. For optimum gains you are looking toward consuming at least 50g of fast carbs such as dextrose and 50g of whey protein with the highest Bv you can get. Its fat you don't want post workout.
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2005/02/13, 05:01 PM
What I replied to in the first post was the carb content of your protein. Unless I read it wrong, this is what it implied. I simply said that most protein suppelements in and of themselves have very little carbs.
You need simple carbs in your post workout shake.
and as far as carbs are not the enemy, I am telling you that you need carbs or your workouts will suffer. It is the type of carbs you injest that add fat.(in the rest of your meals)
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Quoting from madamA:
Hey, BB1. I did read the post. What has me confused is when you say that the shake shouldn't have enough carbs to worry about, yet you also say that carbs aren't the enemy and are very much needed. I'm trying to find the medium here. I apologize for my ignorance, but all this info has me flustered. I know eating no carbs is bad for maintaining muscle, so something like Atkins will lead me to lose a lot of muscle along with fat. Yet, too many carbs is bad for losing fat. If it's not one, and it's not the other, it must be somewhere in between, and that's the area I'm trying to find.
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2005/02/14, 03:42 AM
Yeah, I get that. Frosh is my cousin, so he put me on this shake with oats and peanut butter and soy milk in it. But neither of us were sure if these carbs were bad for trying to cut fat.
I see what BB1 is talking about with the carbs in protein supplements, but these shakes we're consuming are homemade and its not the sugar in the protein that I'm worried about, its the soy milk, peanut butter and oats. Aside from these carbs, I would only eat veggies and fruits for my carb intake, and Ive hear fruit is even bad, so seeing that I was planning on drinking these shakes as quick meals I basically wanted to know if peanut butter, oats and soy milk should be avoided, especially in the quantity i would be consuming them- 3x a day in my shakes.
Also, fat is bad post workout? So, no peanut butter?
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2005/02/14, 09:32 AM
The whole point of taking carbs with your shake is to use insuline as a transporter to get your shake into the cells ifficiantly.What you are doing is adding fats that will inhibit insuline and slow down digestion, basically your waisting your shake.
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2005/02/14, 09:41 AM
After a workout, there is a 30-60 minute window in which, regardless of the diet you are on, you don't need to worry about the carbs you are getting. They won't be put to fat, because all the carbohydrates you have after a workout will be used to replenish the glycogen used up in your muscles and towards recovery. If your going to cheat on your diet, after a workout is the best time to do it. Also, I am almost dead set against carb cutting diets because of the way they cause you to burn fat by going into a state of ketosis. For an active individual, this can be dangerous and inefficient. While these diets might be more effective for a sedentary individual, an active person needs carbohydrates to get through their workouts. Also, peanut butter isn't always a bad idea in a post workout shake. Certain vitamins in the nuts will cause an increase in testosterone production, which will help you to burn fat. Glad to have helped.
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2005/02/14, 10:55 AM
Hasn't PB got fat in it though.
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2005/02/14, 12:21 PM
Yep....this is a fact.
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The whole point of taking carbs with your shake is to use insuline as a transporter to get your shake into the cells ifficiantly.What you are doing is adding fats that will inhibit insuline and slow down digestion, basically your waisting your shake.
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