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2004/12/09, 07:18 PM
ok, i dont usually run any at the gym, because i have been told that if you want to bulk up you should try to minimize the amount of cardio that you do because i have a fast metabolism. would running like 2-5 miles on the tread mill, to get back into shape cardio-wise,every other day hurt my mass gaining? thanks.
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2004/12/09, 09:03 PM
yes it would....if you want to bulk up... especially wiht high metabolism...you need to minimize all cardio...save that for when you will want to get cut...ie lose body fat...bulking up means gaining weight with considerable amount of fat....ie it's not just lean muscle mass....if you have short rest periods between sets(less than 30-45 sec)...then it will have a good aerobic impact....
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2004/12/09, 10:03 PM
Do some sprints. Anaerobic exercise is good even if you're trying to gain mass. Gatormade advised me to do 10 100 yard sprints with 30-45 sec in between each sprint one day a week while I was gaining mass. Look at olympic and world-class sprinters, they're pretty big.
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2004/12/09, 10:07 PM
minimize you cardio but dont eliminate it.
remember that the heart is a muscle too and needs to be trained.
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2004/12/10, 09:04 AM
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Quoting from kakaroto:
minimize you cardio but dont eliminate it.
remember that the heart is a muscle too and needs to be trained.
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When I train with weights i can get my heart up to 160-180 beats a minute. If that isn't training my heart I don't know what is. Weight training doesn't improve your VO2 max but it definitely makes your heart stronger. It improves your stroke volume which lowers your heart rate. I never run and my heart rate sits at 52 beats a minute. When I do go for an occassional 3 mile run I can do it in under 20 minutes and I weigh 275. So weight training does something for my heart. That is a great misconception of resistance training. Its because most people look at just VO2 max.
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2004/12/12, 03:18 PM
amen to that gator, here's another group to blame for that misconception: the fitness industry. treadmill, elliptical, cardio glide, etc manufacturers have manipulated results of health related studies for decades. ANY activity that elevates your heart rate for a given amount of time can be considered cardiovascular training. just because you don't own precor's newest elliptical machine (msrp: $4,300+), doesn't mean you can never reap the benefits of cardiovascular work.
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2004/12/15, 12:34 PM
Cardio is ok, just do 1 of the following:
1. Cardio on non-weight lifting days
or,
2. weights first, then cardio.
Choose option 1 over 2 if you can.
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2004/12/16, 12:56 AM
What Gatormade said.
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2004/12/16, 01:34 PM
If you want to do both then do cardio after weights because that is the best combination. There is plenty of research on that topic. Weight lifting blows your glycogen supply so slower cardio movements will tap into your fat stores a little quicker.
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2004/12/16, 02:47 PM
other posts say , cardio after weight training is wrong, you might wind up buring muscle. I wanna keep my strength i've worked hard for, but i'd like to drop about 5-10lbs body fat. I'm getting both sides of story here. an di'm confused????
10mins after on a eliptical or bike be ok?
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2004/12/24, 05:37 PM
Yeah, what blue77 said.
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2004/12/24, 05:41 PM
Also, if you want to train your heart HIIT, High Intensity Interval Training will raise your metabolism more than cardio for a longer period of time, up to 24 hours, and wont burn the muscle like long distance running for a long period of time. The reason distance runners lose muscle mass is that after running for 30+ minutes, the body starts to break up muscle tissue to get energy from protein. So basicly, arondaballer made a great point about the 10 100s. Although I hate running, so I get my cardio from wrestling.
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2005/01/01, 11:23 AM
can't you just do all the cardio you want and just eat more?
DX
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2005/01/01, 01:01 PM
Simply as a cood down, it would be ok...very light intensity at best. Active recovery from something like an intense arm workout can be very beneficial. This will get nutrient rich blood flowing. But the key is very light, and very short period.
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other posts say , cardio after weight training is wrong, you might wind up buring muscle. I wanna keep my strength i've worked hard for, but i'd like to drop about 5-10lbs body fat. I'm getting both sides of story here. an di'm confused????
10mins after on a eliptical or bike be ok?
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2005/01/01, 01:07 PM
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2005/01/01, 01:11 PM
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Quoting from gatormade:
If you want to do both then do cardio after weights because that is the best combination. There is plenty of research on that topic.
This is indeed a fact. Good post here. Best to split them up if you can.
Weight lifting blows your glycogen supply so slower cardio movements will tap into your fat stores a little quicker.
This statement is a bit misleading....though glycogen stores will be down, they will be very far from depleted. Have you ever trained for a contest? It is very, very difficult to deplete glycogen stores. We do workouts to accomplish this in the last week to lead to supercompensation(carb loading) for contest fullness, and they are very ardueous and takes 2-3 days at the least to come close. These workouts are extremely quick paced, many supersets, balls to the wall type workout, no rest, rival any intense cardio workout and then some.
The myth of doing cardio after weight training to tap into your fat stores easier is just that, a myth. You will be doing nothing but degrading muscle even further with a hard cardio workout, intensifying cortisol and degrading the recovery process. A mild cool down to get nutrient rich blood flowing is acceptible, but not much more if you want to accelerate your gains.
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2005/01/04, 06:48 PM
So how do you explain the crossover during gas analysis? I have seen this analyzed in a lab on a treadmill post weight lifting with gas analysis. There is a greater reliance on fat stores after weight training then without weight training when you do cardio. I don't think I ever said anything about glycogen stores being depleted. I did say they would be blown up (which means used) and your body will tap into fat stores quicker. I did not say they will be soley used so what I wrote is in fact not misleading.
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2005/01/04, 09:12 PM
Well, what I meant by misleading(I said quote, a bit misleading) was simply the idea that glycogen stores would be more depleted. While in fact this is true, they will be nowhere near depleted. This to me as a casual reader is what would have been implied had I read this post and not known any better. We as more knowlegable know better, and just trying to set the record straight for other folks.
It only makes sense that the body would rely somewhat more on fat stores doing cardio post weight training, but still very insignificant as compared the digression that can be made from cortisol running rampant without ample recovery being administered. This in essence just exaserbates things. After a weight training session(we are talking "earning" it here, a good, solid exhausting session) it is ideal to immediately start recovery. Prolonging this by adding in cardio of any significance will delay recovery, and diminish the very thing you are trying to build, muscle, by prolonging a negative nitrogen state. This is in fact muscular suicide.
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So how do you explain the crossover during gas analysis? I have seen this analyzed in a lab on a treadmill post weight lifting with gas analysis. There is a greater reliance on fat stores after weight training then without weight training when you do cardio. I don't think I ever said anything about glycogen stores being depleted. I did say they would be blown up (which means used) and your body will tap into fat stores quicker. I did not say they will be soley used so what I wrote is in fact not misleading.
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2005/01/05, 11:09 AM
That is true. I forgot what the original question was. I was looking at from the position of someone trying to lose fat weight.
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2005/01/05, 11:38 AM
You are an asset to the board gator, surely did not mean to step on your toes in any way. I need to be clarified too at times! It is hard sometimes in typing to lay out everything you actually mean. You give some very valuable information to folks, and though I do not post in this forum often, do read your stuff with much interest. I actually started my training surrounded by powerlifters, and still resort to a powerlifting mentality in training. :big_smile:
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