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pos--workout happy medium !!!

roger23 Posts: 58 Joined: 2004/05/15	2004/09/14, 04:25 PM I know this is turning into a beat down subject recently but I have a suggestion: would'nt it be nicer (and more effective) to follow the PWO protocol by bb1fit and after finishing it drink a glass of milk to prevent protein breakdown from the time you finish the shake to your next meal (30-60 minutes later). My logic tells me that this way the powerful effect of the whey/malto/dextrose would'nt be harmed by this (would like a response from bb1fit here since not sure) and at the same time you get a sustained release and prevent any catabolism that would occur between finishing the PWO and the next meal. Now,Does this make more sense than doing one or the other!
rev8ball Posts: 3,081 Joined: 2001/12/27	2004/09/14, 04:42 PM Can't we just let this discussion DIE??????? :angry: If anyone has any questions on a post workout shake, please do a search..... but enough's enough!!!! -------------- Michael Trample the weak; hurdle the dead! Chaos, Panic, Disorder.... Yes, my work here is done! rev8ball@freetrainers.com
hecdarec Posts: 2,457 Joined: 2003/12/16	2004/09/14, 04:43 PM So what is the best post workout shake? -------------- You can cover up the flaws on your body, but there is no hiding a flawed personality.
roger23 Posts: 58 Joined: 2004/05/15	2004/09/14, 04:45 PM I don't want to start (or continue) that discussion, I was just wondering if this suggestion is logical, valid, maybe more effective, and possibly help settle disputes by having both opinions complement each other, to a certain extent!
hecdarec Posts: 2,457 Joined: 2003/12/16	2004/09/14, 04:58 PM Whey/malto/dextro -------------- You can cover up the flaws on your body, but there is no hiding a flawed personality.
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/09/14, 05:20 PM It is the members choice....have at it!!:big_smile::big_smile: Find what works for you and do it. This is simpleist thing you can do. -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/09/14, 06:05 PM For anyone who cares to do some "light" reading:big_smile:, this is an excellent and well researched article as I have ever come across. Anyone who is serious about their bodybuilding may find this very interesting. http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/magazine04/scientific.htm Happy reading!!:big_smile::big_smile: -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
princesslodgey Posts: 1,748 Joined: 2004/02/21	2004/09/15, 07:05 AM Aah, takes me back to my biochemistry classes at uni! That was pretty heavy duty stuff, but very informative, thankyou, BB1. For those who can't wade through it my synopsis would be: do what BB1 says! (and I finally understand about the fructose/liver glycogen thing too :))
princesslodgey Posts: 1,748 Joined: 2004/02/21	2004/09/15, 01:47 PM Every thing that BB1 has said about PWO drinks (constituents, timing etc) has a sound argument presented in those essays. I agree that the labelled whey/casein study looked good too, but where there is argument, the worse case scenario using BB1's formula is that your PWO shake tastes minging, the worst case scenatio with the milk thing is that you miss the window of opportunity, so I go for the safe option i.e. with water.
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2004/09/15, 06:20 PM Krystyfer....if you would take the initiative to read some of the posts, read my posts and as princess did, read the science, you may understand rather than hang on to preconcieved notions for arguments sake. The procedure is this...I have posted it numerous times, mix up your shake according to your bodyweight with simple carbs. Now, upon finishing your training, chug down 1/2 for the quick burst which will serve many purposes, none the less is halt catabolism, shut down cortisol, and thus push nutrients directly into the muscle tissue through the insulin. Now, for the rest of an hour, you sip the remaining 1/2 of your shake so as to not overwhelm the digesstive system, keep a steady flow of nutrients pouring into the muscle, and keeping catabolism at bay which blood sugars can again plummet. Now, after this hour, again, gastric emptying is an important point here I get the feeling most of you do not grasp..but anyway, 1/2 hr. after finishing your shake have a sensible meal. This keeps a steady supply of nutrients, takes care of the "window", and leaves no holes in your protein intake. Cortisol is for sure shut down, blood pressure, body temp, etc. is all regulated back to normal, and the diet can proceed. Casein in this mix will indeed block the rapid absorbtion of nutrients, thus negating the window of opportunity. And by the way, where are you getting your info on a shake must be drank in 20 minutes???:big_smile: This is not at all true. You may be thinking if creatine is involved. You take your creatine on the side. Princess...a big shout for taking the initiative to read the science.:big_smile: -------------- If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.... bb1fit@freetrainers.com
hecdarec Posts: 2,457 Joined: 2003/12/16	2004/09/15, 07:40 PM So krystyfer you have to drink your PWO as soon as you are done working out, but you have to drink your shake within 20 minutes of making it or else it is useless? How does one accomplish this feat? -------------- You can cover up the flaws on your body, but there is no hiding a flawed personality.