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Forarm problems (when doing biceps)

Big-E
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2003/10/31, 04:06 PM
Well, about 11 weeks ago my forearm starting hurting so bad I couldnt lift my laptop bag, and it would hurt when I lifted a water bottle or brushed my teeth... it got alittle better and I continued to work out biceps weekly.. the pain never went away and it never healed. Reverse curls? Forget it! ouch! Went to general doctor and he gave muscle relaxers.. I lowered the weight by 30lbs.. and after long warmup I could handle it.. but the last week forget it.. Went to othopedic doctor and he said take Methylprednisln for a week, then something else for 2 more weeks (Cylybrate? dont have it with me) and DON'T do ANYTHING with that arm.. even if I pick weeds my thumb will get a little numb. I am assuming I did this due to working out.. it really sux because after 61 weeks of never missing a workout I now have to quit. Anyone else know how far my strength is going to regress if I can't do ANYTHING with this arm for a month or two? This sucks, I wish I could keep working biceps.. He said it was something like a pinched nerve or something in my forearm... What do you think caused this? Is it going to happen again once it heals?
Carivan
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2003/11/01, 10:57 PM
Sounds like tendonitis. Just rest it and ice. It can get very painful at times especially when gripping anything.
When you go back, do some wrist curls with light weights to stregnthen your fore-arms.
Good Luck.

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Jdelts
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2003/11/09, 08:26 PM
I agree with Carivan, sounds like tendonitis...coming from a pitcher for years, I can definitely relate to the pain. I swear, the only thing you can do for that type of injury is REST. I don't mean go lighter or less often, I mean total rest, or else it WILL NOT HEAL. At least a week to 10 days. I'm sorry about your consecutive streak being broken, but lets get realistic here, this needs to be taken care of if its that bad...or else you'll start a new streak of consecutive days missed becase of injury. After your rest period, start light with bicep routines, do high reps of light weight for your ENTIRE forearm as well. This will help build the tendons around the recovering area. Then ice it after the workout. If this problem persists, please consult a doctor, don't F-around with this type of injury. Good Luck.

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mtlong33
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2003/11/20, 04:41 PM
Also you need to make sure that you are working forearms a lot too because sometimes that extra muscle will help you to support the weight that you are doing with curls, extensions, etc... I have started doing more forearm excercises recently and I havent had pain in my forearms in a long time.

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Big-E
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2003/11/29, 02:00 PM
Thanks all for the suggestions, the steriods and the Celebrex that the doctor gave made no difference.. I have not worked out my R-Biceps since.. I do forarm exercises no problem. It is still hurting.. the doctor sent me for an EK? (not G).. I got shocked like a rat a few times and then poked with a needle-prob like 15 times.. no nerve damage.. went back to specialist and he told me to get an MRI and come back again. He still doesn't know what it is (actually he mentioned that it was NOT tendonitis the 1st time I went.. last time I think he actually mentioned that it might be..lol) I go back this week to show him the MRI results. Wish me luck, I am so tired of not using my right arm.. its a pain but I even need to call friends over to work on my house projects etc because I am only able to use my left for anything heavy/strainious. Thanks for all the support, Ill let you know if he finds something.
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2003/11/30, 09:00 PM
Geez...sounds pretty serious. Good luck man, you're doing the right thing. To bad its a shitty feeling.

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Bprice2
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2003/12/01, 04:23 PM
Big-e.... I have the same prob. it does interupt ur workouts bad,, my forarms were bothering me sooo bad I quit not only working out my biceps but also any kind of pull exercise,, i was acutaly getting some gains that i had worked so hard for, I hope this dont discourage u but the rest has not helped me out, the only thing it has done for me is that it doesnt hurt when im not doing anything, I have acutaly had to stay out of the gym for a month straight due to a back injury at work, and I and just now doing some exercises to build some strenght up in my back and I still feel the pain in my forearms,,, Mine have been bothering me bad since july, i let up on my biceps and pull exercises since september and out of the gym for a month straight in november and still feel it so if u ever find out something that helps please let me know ok...
Big-E
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2003/12/02, 05:04 PM
bprice it sounds like my exact problem.. I still do pull exercises but sometimes it hurts, sometimes it doesn't.. sounds like mine is slightly milder than yours.. the MRI did find something.. the good thing is that the doctor thinks its minor enough not to be irreversable damage. The bad thing is that the solution is the same as before.. quit using my arm until it heals.. which could be 6 months. So far it feels the same as day one.. a little sore from time to time but if I did bicep exercises that would finish it off again. He told me to try Bextra this time (Celebrex didn't do anything last time) Here are my MRI results:

There is a mild edema along the myotendinous junction and distal aspect of the biceps tendon. The tendon itself is not disrupted (good!). No signifiant tendinosis is visualized (good!). This may represent a mild myotendinous strain.

There is also diminished perineural fat adjacent to the ulnar nerve. There is no evidence of a mass or dramatic inflammatory process (good!).

There is a small elbow effusion. The collateral ligaments are intact. No bone marrow edema is noted. The triceps tendon is intact. The bracchialis tendon is intact. There is minimal skin thickening over the olecranon bursa. No frank bursitis is noted.

...anyway, all this mumbo jumbo means that whatever I have is minor (doesn't feel that way!!!) so hopefully good.. I just hate that it will take so damn long to heal....

The MRI doctor gave 2 impressions.. 1) Mild myotendinous edema involving the biceps tendon without frank disruption or high-grade partial thickness injury. 2) Minimal edema and diminished perineural fat adjacent to the ulnar nerve, correlate with any clinical sumptoms of ulnar nerve entrapment as described.

it sucks.. but if it heals it will be worth the wait. Goodluck and let me know if you get checked out. Whatever the case my doctor told me it was VERY important to stop using it or the damage would get worse.




Big-E
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2003/12/02, 05:16 PM
BTW, I forgot to mention thanks to everyone for the advice and concern.. !
Big-E
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2004/01/19, 08:18 PM
FYI Im still chasing down the problem.. went back and nothing has changed. Going to a nerve specialist next week.
Carivan
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2004/01/19, 08:43 PM
Big E....Be patient and one day you will realise it is better. When you get back, try doing fore-arm exercises.
Start off light.
Be patient the healing takes time.

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Big-E
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2004/02/14, 06:51 PM
Thx, well, they think I have a nerve getting pinched going from my inner elbow to deep in my forearm. Sure enough its getting better (does'nt hurt daily, but still can't do bicept curls).. wow its been since end of October I think but I guess I either wait it out or get an operation. Glad there is no nerve damage however.
Big-E
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2004/07/29, 09:06 PM
Just to update: Well, its been what.. almost a year now. There is no longer a sharp pain when say lifting a glass of water, and I can now do things day-to-day no problem.. however there is still no way I can do curls using a bar. I can now do curls on a machine using a handle and the lower pulley.. kinda like a concentration curl but I must warm up a LONG time using very light weights.. its still painful until I get done with my 1st set. I stopped taking Bextra/Celebrex etc many months ago.. nothing has changed. Guess real curls are just out for me.. I still always have soreness when lifting something (boxes etc) but atleast now I don't hurt bad when holding up the damn weed eater.
chapct
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2004/09/09, 10:40 AM
Did you ever go to a Physical or Sports Therapist? I've had a very similiar problem with extreme pain in my forearm when I do any kind of bicept curl or even lift my bag off the floor to put over my shoulder. It's been going on for about six months now and I finally started seeing different doctors about a month ago. It took going to four doctors for one to finally suggest seeing a Sports Therapist. I've been going to a Therapist now for a couple weeks and it has consistently gotten better. Even though it might be getting slowly better for you, I would call your doctor and asked to be referred to a Physical or Sports Therapist. Even if you go once, they can give you some very specific exercises to do at home. For me, they do Ultra Sound, Deep-friction message and some very light exercising and stretching and it has gotten much better.
Big-E
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2004/09/26, 01:50 AM
Chapct - thx for the reply. The last doctor I saw was a sports injury specialist who regularly works on NFL players etc. Besides exploratory surgery she actually did mention deep massage but made it sound like it was only a sight chance that it would work. Your story encourages me.. I might just get pissed off enough again and get tired of the pain I have. It got better but now has platued.. still hurts and totally prevents curls with a bar. Curls with a dumbell are ok, but only after a LONG warm up... I'll let you know if I do it and what happens. Thanks again for the input! Time to dig out my health plan coverage info again...
chapct
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2004/10/27, 11:08 AM
No problem, I just hope you can get it healed (I know how fustrating it can be). I've been in physical therapy now for almost 3 months (I go 2 times a week) and have started doing bicepts again. The therapist had me stop doing all bicept exercises for about 8 weeks and limit other movements that hurt like overhand back exercises which strained the forearm a bit). He had me start doing bi's again about 3 or 4 weeks ago, but doing exercises at 50%-60% less weight. I actually did bi's yesterday and was doing maybe only 20%-25% less then I used to do. I still "feel" the pain in some exercises but to a much, much lesser extent. Just as a gauge, from 1-10, my pain now gets up to like 2.5, when it used to literally be like in the 9-10 range. Some exercises are like only 0.5, just feeling a little strain. I did cut out all straigt bar bicept curls though. My therapist said it just puts way too much strain on the forearm. I couldn't care less though, I'm just happy to get back to doind bi's again.
2004/10/29, 04:59 AM
I had intense pain in my forarm tendon...when I was doing heavy barbell bicep curls...I ended up taking 2 weeks off...and from them on I only do EZ-bar curls and DB curls....they take the stress off the tendon...
kuzak
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2004/12/22, 03:55 PM
this is what i experience. it hurts when i do curls and especially when i release my grip on the bar, i have to release it really slow.
Big-E
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2005/02/21, 10:52 PM
Well, over a year later I can now do dumbell curls without a long warmup.. but with a bar I can still forget it, Im too scared to start trying. Now there is a little pain but I can manage it. Kuzak - my grip never did hurt during release.
Carivan
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2005/02/22, 03:35 PM
Stay light on that side, don't reverse the progress.

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oodaloopy
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2005/05/03, 02:16 PM
Big-E, could you give me an idea of what your "warm up" looks like. You are going/went through the same thing myself and my lifting body went threw in Kuwait back in 98'. I almost laughed when you mentioned how it hurt to use your toothbrush because nobody has ever believed me that it was that bad. It sucks. I have tried to get back into lifting several times since, but always end up stopping do to this reoccurring injury. I have spoken to countless physical trainers and they all say the same thing, "Never heard of that one, try reverse curls." In 98’ I blamed it on poor nutrition, but I don’t know what to call it now.

For me, I can start from scratch and lift until I am (Repping) curling 85lbs on the ez bar and/or repping with 45lbs dumbbells. Once I hit this weight and try to increase my forearms start hurting again.

I began lifting again in January of 2005. (and have several times between 98’ and 2003) I have taken it slow this time, trying not to get obsessed about lifting like I did in the past. This is hard too, because I love to lift and I love results. Anyways, it is now May of 2005, and my forearm pain is showing back up. Not too bad yet, but I can sense it. I am going to skip all palm-up lifting this week, as my forearms seem particularly sensitive to that. I will try reverse curls tonight and see how it goes.

In short, THIS SUCKS. You bust your balls for months just to loose it all when your arms pop. If you could give me an Idea of your warm ups that helped you, that would be great.
2005/05/04, 07:09 PM
Give your arms a rest for a week...then when you train...focus on training your forarms...and maybe doing some lifts like 'concetration' curls which help train the forarms/biceps also(try to do them slow...212 pace)....deadlifts are very good at strengthening grip....
oodaloopy
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2005/05/05, 04:47 PM
The best way to explain this is to call it a shin splint in your forearm. That is EXACTLY what it feels like, and the healing process is about the same (forever). Pain seems to follow right along the bone like that.
Big-E
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2005/05/08, 11:02 AM
Yup, thats a good discription.. painful as HELL and its not something that goes away with rest.. atleast for me it took what.. a year of 'rest'. Reading my old messages I also noticed I took Viox, Bextra, and Celebrex.. add that to the Accutane I took when I was younger and I guess I'm lucky to be alive huh? :laugh:

Anyway, I was doing 110 lbs on a bar when I started having problems. After being in agony the next week I dropped the weight to 80lbs and it still hurt like hell, the next weeks I couldn't even do that so I started warming up with low weights (like starting with 20lbs) for about 15mins, doing 6-8 reps at a time.. pausing.. for a few mins, anyway, doing something like that for 15mins+.. the bar finally became too much and I started doing only dumbells. With long 10-15min warmups with 20lbs each arm, I was able to work it back up to 50lbs an arm. Now, after what.. over a year, I can do 50-15, 50-15, 60-8 on each arm with a <5min warmup using 30 then 40lbs. Actually, I was up to 60-12 on the last rep but when my workout switched to doing back the same day (pulldowns, rows, t-bars etc) before my bicep exercises my arms are more shot of course.

So my trick was long warmups, and as you see taking it easy, not expecting gains, maybe a rep a week and only doing dumbells. Oh yeah, I tried the bar again last two weeks after I was done with my normal bicept routine.. I can do 80, so far no horrible pain but I can feel my arms still feeling the effects 4 days later so far.. im still nervous about it. I'm not sure I am going to continue with the bar, I DO NOT want to be back in the same position as before, I think even a BROKEN ARM would have healed faster!

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2005/11/05, 10:59 AM
Just an update, for the last 2 months I have been training bicepts 'normally'. So it looks like after almost 2 years I have basically healed 100%.
Big-E
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2006/03/09, 09:42 AM
Still going so all ok now, im close to where I was before I had the problem. I take it very easy and make sure I can do reps of 12/12/12 before I increase the weight to be safe.
johnnydinla
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2006/06/02, 12:45 PM
That's exactly what I am expereincing with my left forearm. When I release my grip, it hurts like hell. Sometimes it feels like I have a fracture in my bone, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

I've read this whole thread. Other than rest, is there any exersize I can do to help with this?

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this is what i experience. it hurts when i do curls and especially when i release my grip on the bar, i have to release it really slow.
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2006/06/02, 01:24 PM
Hi Johnnydinla,

First, get it checked by your Doctor. If the diagnosis is tendonitis then read the "pinned" topic titled Tendonitis Solutions (the red stick pin at the very top of this forum)Wrestler125 posted an article on eccentric excercise.

Spike

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billygoodnick
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2006/06/13, 10:56 PM
I've had the same problem for a few years. One great way I found to massage and relax the forearms is to put two tennis balls in a thin sock and tie the end off tightly to hold the balls together. Place the sock and balls (I have my own term for this, quite anatomical) against the wall so one ball is ABOVE the other, bend your arm like it's in a sling, then lean into the balls with your forearm so each ball presses against the two big bundles of muscles. Then lean left and right while pressing into the wall. You can run the balls up and down each forearm and control the amount of pressure.

I usually do this after first using a heating pad for about 10 minutes. It's a way of doing deep massage without a massaure. Good luck. BG

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2006/06/19, 09:08 AM
Over the last few weeks i have had a similar yet less painful injury. Whilst working my back i felt my right wrist "pull" as tho it had come out of place (which i know it cant ;). But since then wen i work out, it clicks from time to time and leaves a dull throbbing sensation. Any ideas?

It's not overly painful, but it doesnt seem to be getting any better, or worse for that matter.

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2006/08/19, 12:45 PM
Hello all, New poster here. Thank you for your updates Big-E. Please keep them coming, they are very helpful for people who are going through the same thing. I was doing straight bar curls and on the negative rep I felt 3 pops in my bicep. I got an MRI and it was inconclusive if it was a complete distal tendon tear or partial. My doctor told me that the pain will go away in 6 months if I didn't have the surgery. After evaluating the options, I decided not to have the surgery and just let it heal on its own. He had me not do anything for 6 weeks, then 5lbs from 6 weeks to 12 weeks. He said it takes about 3 months for it to scar down. He release me to work my way back up SLOWLY at 3months. Its been 4 months now. It has gotten better but still have pain. I'm up to curling 20lbs with dumbells. Bench is up to 175. I'm staying hopeful as of right now because I still have another 2 months before I reach the 6 month mark. My advice to everyone is not to do ANY straight bar curls or reverse grip deadlift. It puts a huge strain on your bicep tendon and there are so many other ways to work your biceps. Believe me, you don't want to rip that tendon. I was lifting heavy when it happened but I was very warmed up and was actually dropping down from 155lbs to 135lbs and still had a few reps left on the set when it tore. My form was fine too. It was just one of those things that could have been avoided if I knew how bad straight bar curls are to your distal bicep tendon, even when warmed up and having proper form. I'll keep everyone posted on my results. I hope it helps someone else make the right decision between surgery and non surgery. And I hope my post will keep everyone away from straight bar curls so this doesn't happen to them.
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2006/08/26, 03:34 PM
Hi Jeff, thanks for the comments. Well, I am still chugging along. Slowly raising the weight but only when I can do at least 12/12/12. No pain so far, I just make sure and have my arms warmed up and I take it slow.

Did the doctor recommend that you or everyone stay away from straight bar curls? I was on the fence but from what I have been reading here it is not really an exercise that is bad, it is moreso that some people have weaknesses that others do not.

Perhaps you and I have a greater problem with bicep curls than others do. I know for myself that leg extensions (once up to a significant amt of weight) finally caused more pain than they were worth so I swapped the exercise to single leg squats etc... for others they can continue to push way past any weight I could ever lift and have no problems.

I would be interested to hear yours (and other's) feedback on the subject.
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2006/08/26, 09:36 PM
NOt to do any barbell curls? Why is that? Cause you had a injury?
"I was lifting heavy when it happened but I was very warmed up and was actually dropping down from 155lbs to 135lbs and still had a few reps left on the set when it tore."

What exactly were you doing when it tore? If you were doing curls then my first thought was that you were not letting the body get used to the weight and most likely had too much weight on the bar for your tendons, which I feel is the number one reason most injuries happen.

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JeffRocker
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2006/10/06, 11:36 AM
Big E,
It's been somewhere around the 6 month mark for me. Things are still coming along for the positive. I still have to be careful that I don't jerk my arm but I think about the injury alot less now. I'm curling 43lbs dumbbells(I have the powerblock dumbells) for 8 reps. I was probably doing about 70s at 8 reps before, so its slowly getting back to where it was.
As far as straight bar being bad for the tendon...From the research that I did on the internet I found that its a position that can easily bring injury to the bicep tendon. I also saw alot of injuries to the bicep tendon from doing reverse grip deadlifts because your palm is in the same position as straight bar curls. I think its the same thing as heavy squats, they are great for leg size but it only takes one time and you blow out a disc. The older guys will tell anyone there are many other ways to build your legs than chanceing heavy squats. I feel the same about straight bar curls. Let me know how you are doing.
Jeff
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2006/10/06, 11:43 AM
Again i fail to see your logic. If you alow time for your body to get used to it there should be little problem. If you have a back condition then yes heavy squats are problably not a good option, yet I know dozens of older men that squat heavy with no back injury. I think you are lumping everyone into a catergory with out understanding what youa re really doing. I have been doing straight bar curls for over 10 years and never have had a problem. I have gone heavy very heavy for them with out a issue. I think and this goes back to my post in August that you simply were going to heavy for your tendon, and it popped. That is still no reason to say that ALL THAT DO THOSE EXERCISES will get hurt.

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2006/10/06, 12:39 PM
I agree with my boy Mutt on this one. I have had no issues related to deadlifts or squats. If done correctly with a safe weight why would you. Any exercise done with bad form and too much weight will eventually catch up to you.

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JeffRocker
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2007/02/03, 07:58 AM
Its been around the 9 month mark from my distal bicep tendon tear. Opting not to have the surgery my results are still slowly getting better. I have about 65-70% of the strength that I had before. I'm confident that I will be able to get up to at least 80%. As far as someone making a decision of surgery or no surgery, its still kind of up in the air. I don't know how much better or worse it would heal if I had the surgery. The pain is pretty much gone (only get a twing when working it). The main thing is just not knowing how strong it scarred down, so I don't know if it will tear again as I start to lift heavier weight in the future. Only time will tell.
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2007/02/15, 06:57 PM
Hi Jeff, for biceps I have been at 100%, or quite a while now and am now curling more than I did before my injury. I really don't get it as I said years ago I lift until I hit 12/12/12 then raise the weight 5lbs, which should never be jumping to 'too much weight'.

So - while my biceps are great, now my left rotator cuff is not. I have not been able to do squats (due to the pain in my shoulder) and have been in physical therapy for about 6 weeks, they are now asking the doctor if I need an MRI. I can't lift anything with weight above my head due to my left shoulder.. hurting since Nov. My doc visit turned into a big lecture about now that I am 'older' (34) I should quit lifting heavy.. and I should not try to do more than I did when I was younger (hell, I never started until I was 30!) squats are bad for back etc etc by the time I got out of there I wanted to ask for a wheelchair. This is from a sports and medicine M.D. The PT folks didn't get it either (but did recommend I not do squats).

It really sucks to lose all my progress but I have no choice. I can't do squats, overhead presses, even behind the head triceps presses, Arnold presses (was up to 12/12/12 using 70lb dumb bells), incline presses... anything that causes me to lift weight above my head. Dammit it sux I am defective or something.
JeffRocker
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2007/05/04, 06:24 PM
Big-E,
Glad to hear about your bicep and sorry to hear about your shoulder. I hope its been feeling better since you last posted. I had separated both my shoulders at one point in my "wrestling days". My bicep is doing pretty good. I'm curling 60lb DBs now for 6 or 8 reps, so I am getting close to where I was. My biceps both look the same so there was not really any atrophy except not being able to work them while I was injured. I think I made the right decision not to have surgery. Only time will tell in the future if the tendon rips off again or if it scarred down nice and solid. I do have some tendonitis pain in the crook of the elbow, but if that is the worst it gets, I'll be happy to live with it :) Let me kmow how your shoulder is doing.
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2008/09/22, 11:09 PM
Hey Big-E,

Thanks for sharing about your bicep-forearm injury. I have the exact same injury and you are one of the first people I have come across who described what I have...it must be rare. My MRI even said the same thing as your MRI, mild edema on my bicep tendon...my EMG also came up negative. I've had the injury now for over 10 months and NOTHING has helped...acupuncture, physical therapy, massage, high-dose aleve, etc. It hurts even to do simple tasks, like turn a doorknob or shake someone's hand.

So how did you get better? It seems like you just gradually recovered over a 2 year period and there wasn't much that you did other than try to increase activity when you felt a slight improvement? Any comment would be helpful...I am very discouraged.
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2008/11/30, 04:37 PM
Hi Rob - I just saw your reply today. Unfortunately that is exactly what I did.. I basically quit working it out or only did what did not hurt.. I have now gradually worked myself back up to pre-injury strength (or greater) however, I can tell that my arm is still prone to easy injury so I simply just take it easy... it is my only choice.

Oh - I see it has been a while since I visited this thread... so I bet you might be wondering how my shoulder got repaired. Again there were no doctor-solutions.. I had to disco exercises that caused the pain. Nothing above my head (as mentioned above). It might be healed if I started again but on advice of the docs, I won't.

I am able to do squats and I do them.. actually a month ago I returned to the weight I was doing in my old posts... so, as you see... only 'cure' was very slow slow recovery or discontinue of the exercise all together. Do continue to post your progress. I wish you all luck!
Sundowneradn
Sundowneradn
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Joined: 2009/08/27
United States
2009/08/27, 10:51 PM
Just read through this thread and I see it basically takes staying away from what hurts. I search for this subject matter as my forearm has been hurting like hell from doing reverse grip pullups. I took two weeks off from working it out and now tonight tried the reverse grip pullups and on the first one it pained me so I quit.
How long if I stay away from working it will it take? Two months? Two years?
ty Dan

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Quoting from big-e:

Hi Rob - I just saw your reply today. Unfortunately that is exactly what I did.. I basically quit working it out or only did what did not hurt.. I have now gradually worked myself back up to pre-injury strength (or greater) however, I can tell that my arm is still prone to easy injury so I simply just take it easy... it is my only choice.

Oh - I see it has been a while since I visited this thread... so I bet you might be wondering how my shoulder got repaired. Again there were no doctor-solutions.. I had to disco exercises that caused the pain. Nothing above my head (as mentioned above). It might be healed if I started again but on advice of the docs, I won't.

I am able to do squats and I do them.. actually a month ago I returned to the weight I was doing in my old posts... so, as you see... only 'cure' was very slow slow recovery or discontinue of the exercise all together. Do continue to post your progress. I wish you all luck!
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Big-E
Big-E
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United States
2009/11/29, 01:40 PM
Healing with whatever problem I have took 6mo to a year. I just tried to find something else. I guess the other option is to spend $$$$ on doctors and exploratory surgery but I decided just to find other exercises to do.
oldergent
oldergent
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2012/10/19, 05:23 PM (Edited: oldergent - 2012/10/19, 05:25 PM)
So, I am 47 and at the beginning of this year I started lifting weights.  I was doing bicep curls with a bent bar, and went from 50 to 80 pounds in rougly 6 weeks.  After reaching 80 pounds I noticed that my right bicep didn't seem to recover after a week and there was a pain in the forearm about 2 inches below the elbow.  If I hold my arm in a position like I am doing a curl where the elbow is slightly bent I can use my hand to feel the tendon extending from the bicep dowin into the forearm.  Somewhere at the end of that tendon is the locus of the pain.  I have stopped lifting weights and am now doing body weight exercies, but even though I want to do pull ups I am concenred about this pain getting worse.  Since I know the difference between muscle sorness and somethging else, I know this is probably either a minor tear or at least inflamation but the pain has been with me every day for 4 months even if I don't work out at all.  So, I got fed up and decided I can't just sit Idly and wait for this to heal.  Furthermore if you browse the web, all of the authoritive doctors say that Bicep tendonitis and tears are incurable (at least not without surgery).  I wonder if there are other than Hippocurean motives behind such statements but I will give them the benefit of the doubt for the moment.

At any rate, I am experimenting with using very light weights (10-20 lbs) to do various dumbell exercises, but not in a one plane motion but more like lifting the weight at different angles and rotating my hand to sort of loosen everything up.   I am sticking to the philosopy that pain is there to guide you.  So far it seems like the pain subsides while doing this, but I have yet to see if I will recover.  I really want to start doing pullups but am not going to risk tearing this arm more. I am sharing this in the hope that if I can manage to figure out how to fix this it will help others.

I really like Big-E's rule of make sure you are able to do 12/12/12 before increasing the weight because I never had a problem (I started out doing the same thing) until I started listening to the meatheads in the gym who suggested that for strength training you should progress once you can do 8 reps (cough).  Maybe if you are in the 15-21 year old group that makes sense but if you are over 40 well why would you take advice from someone half your age?