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2004/07/23, 05:07 AM
Please ignore this post -in the absence of any mods I am bumping all posts up the line to bury some offensive posts
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2004/07/11, 08:21 AM
I know this isn't completely related to exercise, but I'm interested in learning a practical street defense. I live in a major metropolitan city, and just in case someomne messes with my wife I wanna be prepared(I can turn the other cheek if it's me, I don't care, but my wife means everything to me and I have to protect her at all costs). My questions ae as follow:
1. What defense would you recommend (I've heard that jiu jitsu and wing chung are good).
2. Is there any way I can learn self defense at home alone? I don't really have time to take a class, and although I will do it if mandatory, I would prefer to practice at home as it is more permissive to my sechedule. Any recommendations?
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2004/07/11, 08:44 AM
I recommend that you have your wife take a class in self-defense and then sign her up for martial arts instruction. She will be able to help defend herself when you aren't there and she can teach you what she learns.
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Hard work must have killed somebody
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2004/07/11, 09:28 AM
buy a gun
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2004/07/11, 09:06 PM
No matter how big you are a gun will take anyone down, Sounds like the best idea yet.
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2004/07/11, 11:00 PM
That's true. However, a gun should obviously always be a last resort. it's hard to argue to a jury that you are justified in killing someone, or even threatening someone with a lethal weapon.
I've witnessed these jackasses in the club and such that just go up to some girl and grab her ass with total disregard for anything. Now, I'm not gonna stand for that (and I am a pacifist by nature unless otherwise necessary), but it wouldn't look good if I stand up for her and get pummeled, now would it? Especially seeing that that could leave her vulnerable.
However, a gun takes things to a whole new level.
I would entertain getting a stun gun or mace or something like that (both of which are illegal to carry). Does anyone know how effective they are?
Are there any other opinions?
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2004/07/11, 11:05 PM
A combination of brains and feet are the best forms of self defense. Use your brains to avoid trouble and your feet if that fails.
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Charlie
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2004/07/11, 11:15 PM
Forget the gun. That'll get you killed, not them.
Practicing self-defense by yourself isn't very effective either. I take Karate classes, and I have a favorite self-defense move. I have mastered it against my brother-in-law. However, when my instructor grabbed me at about 35% fight, I couldn't take him down. I was totally confident in my technique until I tried it against someone else.
I would suggest using your brain more than your braun. A martial artist with 6 months of experience knows just enough to get himself hurt. Imagine if that person had trained without real instruction. Deadly to himself and his loved ones.
Again, FORGET THE GUN!
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I will never grow up, just old.
Jonathan
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2004/07/11, 11:18 PM
Jon, I meant feet for running.
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Foolish consistancies are the hobgoblins of small minds.
Charlie
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2004/07/12, 03:16 AM
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I know this isn't completely related to exercise, but I'm interested in learning a practical street defense. I live in a major metropolitan city, and just in case someomne messes with my wife I wanna be prepared(I can turn the other cheek if it's me, I don't care, but my wife means everything to me and I have to protect her at all costs). My questions ae as follow:
1. What defense would you recommend (I've heard that jiu jitsu and wing chung are good).
2. Is there any way I can learn self defense at home alone? I don't really have time to take a class, and although I will do it if mandatory, I would prefer to practice at home as it is more permissive to my sechedule. Any recommendations?
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do a google search for "combative links"
and there's a nice site that has various links to sites on self defence. and i can testify that the moves learnt work, and work great. trust me. i've had many chances to try them on a******s who try and start s**t. and one thing to keep in mind. if ever you get a weapon pulled on you. RUN!!! don't try some karate move to disarm your opponent.
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2004/07/12, 03:24 AM
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here are the sites i mentioned. awesome!!!
http://www.geocities.com/the_creepy_thin_man/links.html
http://www.stormpages.com/handtohand22/
i know how your feeling wanting to protect your family and all. so use the links and practice on a punching bag. also NEVER use vital points on people over 40 or with any kind of heart trouble even to obese is iffy. that is serious s**t.
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2004/07/12, 07:25 AM
Charm.
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2004/07/12, 07:26 AM
Hec's right.
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Anni
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2004/07/12, 09:13 AM
I'm with Charlie...awareness is your best bet. Even a woman skilled in martial arts or aiming a gun is at a disadvantage when she puts herself in a potentially dangerous situation.
I think self defense classes are a good idea, they will teach her situations to avoid so as to best eliminate the need for karate chops and bullets.
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2004/07/12, 10:17 AM
Dfly is right.
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Anni
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2004/07/12, 05:16 PM
Thing is martial arts isn't liek in the movies, all the crap you see is skripted and the only good it would do you as if you had been taking itfor many many years and you was a 6th degree black belt or somthing. I'm with charlie, you brain is the best bet, If you have to drive threw a rough neigborhood, take the long way around and go around it.
I took karate for 3 or 4 years, and I have never used it, becuase I don't get into the situation where I need too. The bad thing is, somone comes up behind you an dputs a gun to your head and says "gimmie your money now" theres no jutsu flip, or karate kick that will save you.
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......Confucious once said ,DO NOT play leap frog with a unicorn
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2004/07/13, 10:28 AM
I mostly agree. There are certain techniques for that situation. However, any black belt would tell you to simply give them what they want and move on. Don't fight them unless you believe your life is truely in danger. Then, you have nothing to lose, really.
Avoid the situation. Don't we teach kids that in Middle School, Jr High, High School, etc? Karate is great for at the bar when the drunk guy is being stupid or at a frat house when there's an idiot in your face. But the main thing we learn in Martial Arts is how to use our brains more effectively.
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2004/07/13, 05:48 PM
"Karate is great for at the bar when the drunk guy is being stupid or at a frat house when there's an idiot in your face. "
Yeah. I've lucked out this far in avoiding those kind of confrontations, but drunk guys in bars are alkways lurking, so it would probably be useful to know how to end that situation with everyone in tact if necessary. I mean, if some guy grabs your wife's ass, what are you supposed to do?
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2004/07/13, 05:51 PM
Don't put her in that position in the first place. See how that works?
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2004/07/13, 05:58 PM
Why don't you check out your local community centre of police station for details on self-defence classes. A lot of the classes which are geared towards women tell you how to stay safe as well as give practical demos of what to do. A lot of it is about awareness of your surroundings and not putting yourself in dangerous situations (ie walking through badly lit areas, parks, places you don't know - walk tall and confident, even carry a personal alarm). They'll teach self-defense that isn't too elaborate and about being vocal, drawing attention to what's happening.
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2004/07/13, 06:06 PM
Charlie, i wish it were that easy. The girl loves dancing. What can I do? "No, babe. We're not going out cuz some drunk guy might start with me." If only I could just tie her to the wall until she forgot about it.
Anyway, People typically don't mess with me (I've been lucky), Ive got the tall and confidnet walk down pat, I just figure I should be as prepared as possible just in case the (stuff) hits the fan... even if it means walking around with an alarm. (Im completely open to unconventional methods!)
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2004/07/13, 06:10 PM
If you think there is any likelihood of them having a weapon (of any sort) give them money, cards, watches etc. It's not worth it.
If not, and I hope I don't offend anyone with my sexist attitude but . . . if you can't connect with the "sack" then a good kick in the shins will always hurt.
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2004/07/13, 06:14 PM
senor, seriously most drunks can be dealt with without pullin a Steven Segal. But I've never gone dancin at the OK Coral.
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2004/07/13, 06:34 PM
Tell her to try this:
1. take right hand and grab the drunken bastards package tenderly while wearing a sexy grin
2. as soon as the faintest glow of pleasure crosses his face, grab harder and snatch quickly to the left or right.
3. when the target bends in shock and pain, bring knee up quickly and with as much force as possible making sure that it impacts the face.
4. get down on the floor and whisper in either ear, "was that as good for you as it was for me?"
Works EVERY time, even if you weigh a buck three.
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2004/07/13, 06:35 PM
I give up.
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Foolish consistancies are the hobgoblins of small minds.
Charlie
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2004/07/13, 08:26 PM
One bullet whizzing past his ear outgh to take care of any situation
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2004/07/14, 10:47 AM
No bullets. If you shoot a bullet past that guys ear, it may hit me in the face. Then you'd have more problems on your hand. Guns are not the answer. I don't care if I ruffle feathers with this post, but the the F@#$ing guns out of this conversation!!!!! You people watch too much TV!
If a drunk guy grabs my wife's ass while we are dancing, who gives a crap!!! We will turn so that my ass is facing him. He won't grab that. If he persists, we will either leave or go talk to the bouncer. If he gets in my face, I will attempt to talk him down first, then beat him with whatever part of my body seems most appropriate. I am not afraid of biting, pinching, and hair pulling if the situation calls for it.
Shoot! I'll use a modified version of dfly's technique if I deem it necessary. Also, if the guy can't walk, he can't fight. I quick kick to the knee will end the fight (unless he has more friends than you).
We watch all these TV shows and movies where if someone looks at you funny, you are required to kick his butt! That is SOOOOO stupid!!! It's good to know how to defend yourself, but it's better to know WHEN to defend yourself.
Senor -> The answer to your question is simple. Find a local self defense academy, cop, or other fighter, and ask for their assistance and advice. If you happen to be in the KC area, holler at me, and I'll hook you up with someone here who can give you professional advice on this.
And if a guy grabs your wife's a$$, take it as a compliment, but remind him that she's with you.
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Jonathan
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2004/07/14, 11:04 AM
And one more thing. You may learn some self defense techniques or carry a gun, but if the guy messing with you is a black belt or a huge biker with an attitude or something, just run like hell!
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Jonathan
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2004/07/14, 11:42 AM
just another note, that i was taught in karate, it only takes 7lbs of force aplied aganist the knee to break one. So I swift kick to knee would take just about any guy down. then get the hell out of there. Like I said martial arts is made to be this bad ass thing in movies, that theperson that knows it can't get hurt, if a balck belt is shot, he will bled and die just like we would.
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......minds are not vessles to be filled, but fires to be enlightened
......Confucious once said ,DO NOT play leap frog with a unicorn
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2004/07/14, 11:47 AM
BINGO!!! That's the most sensible statement in this whole thread.
Relying on a gun as your first means of resolving a conflict will guarantee you either death or major jail time. If the latter is the result, you won't have your gun to keep your cellmate named BigBubbbaLuvvaHugga off of you.
It seems everyone but the Yanks understand that guns are only to be used for getting meat, sport competition, policing, military (& militia in extreme situations)purposes.
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It's good to know how to defend yourself, but it's better to know WHEN to defend yourself.
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2004/07/14, 11:54 AM
I'd go with the mace or stun gun thing. Beleive me they both work really well. We decided one night back in college to try them out, the stun gun will knock you down and hurts really bad, the mace is horrific. Yea I know it wasnt the smartest thing in the world but like my dad's told me all my life, "You gotta be tough if your gonna be stupid". Anyway, either of those work better and won't get you in near about as much trouble if any as a gun or knife.
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2004/07/14, 06:57 PM
just check the sites i mentioned. it can't hurt. they cover ALL aspects of self defence.
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2004/07/14, 07:39 PM
wow - to be honest, I've never even fired a gun. I was just joking in my first post but thought I would keep things fired up. Easy Johnathan easy......I honestly think this whole self-defense thing is somewhat of a joke, if someone wants to hurt you, they will find a way. If learn self-defense to defend someone else (like your wife) I would first consider where you are hanging out. No place is safe - true, but there are places you should have enough sense to avoid. These "self-defense" practices (karate for example) are pretty much useless unless you are prepared. If you are attacked by surprise, you are screwed no matter what (even with a gun) :big_smile:
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2004/07/15, 02:26 PM
thats true but if you know it's coming then your chances of taking the guy down would be much better if you know self defense or karate. Shotokan style martial arts throws in alot of self defense techniques. My favorite one has to be the one where you learn to take the guys hand with a knife and stick it in his stomache, very effective and easy. A gun may not be a good choice b/c that plan can backfire on you.
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2004/07/15, 02:27 PM
(p.s.)....i think the best martial arts style would have to be brazilian ju jitsu
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2004/07/15, 08:16 PM
oh good lord, sory but like I said 2 weeks worth of a self defense class is useless, I don't care if it smonky jujesu, or praying mantance. Guy has a gone to your head, with his arm around your neck, and you can't breath...hope you know how to pray, and use comoon sense. Cause a gun point blank range will hit you in what? 2 tenths of a second?.....whats the fastest human reaction time? I think like 1.6 seconds. Swollow your pride, give'm your cash.
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.......adversity causes some to break, but others to break records!
......minds are not vessles to be filled, but fires to be enlightened
......Confucious once said ,DO NOT play leap frog with a unicorn
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2005/09/12, 07:54 AM
NO GUNS NO NEVER A GOOD IDEA, WHY DO YOU THINK THAT THERE IS SO MUCH GUN CRIME ANYWAY!
is what I think of carrying a gun.
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2005/09/13, 01:13 PM
Most of the posts on this topic are quite old, but personally I am a big fan of Aikido. There are no stikes or kicks in Aikido in its purest form but rather you learn to use your opponents energy against them. Love him or hate him Steven Segal is a 7th dan Aikido master and even though his movies are make believe you can see just how effective this martial art is. Below are two great reference sites for Aikido.
http://www.aikidofaq.com/ or http://www.aikiweb.com/
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2005/09/19, 02:21 PM
i would definately recomend wing chun. i've been doing it for a year now and really like how practicle it is. it does not have any fancy big motions, just wht is needed. i also recoment your wife take lessons too. after all, wing chun was developed for a woman.
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