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5600000 Posts: 44 Joined: 2003/09/28	2006/06/18, 03:21 PM hi all, just thinking about starting to take ZMA, i did alot of research on it, but just out of curiosity, do you lose any of the gains you make after your done taking it, i assume your strength would go down a bit after you stop taking it due to the decrease in test. Also, how long should you take this, like whats a safe amount of time to take it consecutively.
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2006/06/18, 06:22 PM What gains do you make while on it? :( ZMA is all about sleep. By default because of the zinc, which you could take by itself, in older men it is shown to regulate E levels, which raise T levels. Magnesium is a good thing for you to take, you will lack muscle strength without it. (among other health aspects) -------------- Maximus from Gladiator....Strength and Honor!
5600000 Posts: 44 Joined: 2003/09/28	2006/06/19, 09:55 AM seeing as it raises your test levels, i just figured that if i took it on a bulk, then id probly make better gains just due to the test increase, or am i way of the mark here?
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2006/06/19, 10:35 AM It will not raise your test. Note in my post about zinc...older men. -------------- Maximus from Gladiator....Strength and Honor!
7707mutt Posts: 7,686 Joined: 2002/06/18	2006/06/19, 10:39 AM BB correct me if I am wrong but will not increaseing your Test at too young of an age be a bad thing? -------------- Less Talk, More Chalk! The Men and Boys are Separated by one thing: The Squat Cage! 7707mutt@freetrainers.com
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2006/06/19, 03:42 PM Yes, your hormones are just "brewing". Upsetting them at an early age can lead to problems later. But with ZMA, this will not happen. The one ZMA study that purported test gains was done and funded by none other than Victor Conte'...you know, the guy who was marketing his clear steroid through Balco as ZMA. -------------- Maximus from Gladiator....Strength and Honor!
7707mutt Posts: 7,686 Joined: 2002/06/18	2006/06/19, 03:46 PM Ok then as a young person who wanted to take ZMA it would not really do anything to your Test so it is safe, OR as a young person should you not take ZMA at all? -------------- Less Talk, More Chalk! The Men and Boys are Separated by one thing: The Squat Cage! 7707mutt@freetrainers.com
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2006/06/19, 07:39 PM ZMA will do nothing to your test levels basically, young or old. However, for the original poster...want your test levels to rise..don't ejaculate for 7 days!! This is an actual study believe it or not(wonder who they get to volunteer for these.. :big_smile:) 1: J Zhejiang Univ Sci. 2003 Mar-Apr;4(2):236-40. Related Articles, Links A research on the relationship between ejaculation and serum testosterone level in men. Jiang M, Xin J, Zou Q, Shen JW. Department of Life Science, Hangzhou Normal College, Hangzhou 310020, China. jiangmy@mail.hz.zj.cn The purpose of this study is to gain understanding of the relationship between ejaculation and serum testosterone level in men. The serum testosterone concentrations of 28 volunteers were investigated daily during abstinence periods after ejaculation for two phases. The authors found that the fluctuations of testosterone levels from the 2nd to 5th day of abstinence were minimal. On the 7th day of abstinence, however, a clear peak of serum testosterone appeared, reaching 145.7% of the baseline ( P < 0.01). No regular fluctuation was observed following continuous abstinence after the peak. Ejaculation is the precondition and beginning of the special periodic serum testosterone level variations, which would not occur without ejaculation. The results showed that ejaculation-caused variations were characterized by a peak on the 7th day of abstinence; and that the effective time of an ejaculation is 7 days minimum. These data are the first to document the phenomenon of the periodic change in serum testosterone level; the correlation between ejaculation and periodic change in the serum testosterone level, and the pattern and characteristics of the periodic change. Publication Types: -------------- Maximus from Gladiator....Strength and Honor!
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2006/06/20, 03:52 PM What, no thoughts on this study? :big_smile::laugh::big_smile: I guess the take home message is, if you don't touch your d**k, you will have higher test levels...or I guess I should say if noone else touches it either. :big_smile::laugh::big_smile: -------------- Maximus from Gladiator....Strength and Honor!
ATIGER Posts: 992 Joined: 2003/02/26	2006/06/20, 03:54 PM bb1fit - we want to make gains but there is a line:laugh:
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2006/06/20, 08:24 PM LOL....I agree! I actually found another study that backs the one up I posted. Can't believe they are even doing studies like this...I mean, who comes up with the idea, a couple guys in lab coats with nothing better to do, trying to think of a study to perform, come up with...hey, I got it, lets see what happens to guys who j**k off and guys who don't? Geez, I am laughing while I am typing this! And then, what do they do, get on the phone and call people out of the phone book and say, hey, want to come in and be part of a study? And who says yes when they tell them what it is? ============ Quoting from atiger: bb1fit - we want to make gains but there is a line:laugh: ============= -------------- Maximus from Gladiator....Strength and Honor!
sstump1 Posts: 1,227 Joined: 2005/03/20	2006/06/21, 10:45 AM Everything I read about ZMA was it is intended to make recovery easier on your body...which allows you to sleep better. Otherwise it's just a couple of extra minerals which everyone should get in their vitamins unless on a heavy lifting routine and then ZMA is helpful. Am I off base with this?
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2006/06/21, 11:01 AM As in my first post, improves "quality" of sleep. -------------- Maximus from Gladiator....Strength and Honor!
5600000 Posts: 44 Joined: 2003/09/28	2006/06/22, 09:56 AM lol when you said that not jerking off would help raise my test levels i thought you meant by a bit, i didnt think that you meant 145 percent of the baseline amount, like i dont really plan on experimenting with this cause i am a seventeen year old lol, but really though, seems like it would help significantly wouldn't it, like how big of a difference would that much more test make if you were trying to bulk up?
GOWAR Posts: 361 Joined: 2001/10/24	2006/07/10, 02:26 PM oh my goodness, I guess everyone missed the study they did that showed that a group of division 1 football players taking ZMA increased their testerone levels by 30%.
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2006/07/10, 09:17 PM No, well, I can't speak for everyone, but I didn't miss it. I mentioned it in the 6th post. If you read that study, take a look at who was behind it. It is the only one in existence. :) ============ Quoting from GOWAR: oh my goodness, I guess everyone missed the study they did that showed that a group of division 1 football players taking ZMA increased their testerone levels by 30%. ============= -------------- Maximus from Gladiator....Strength and Honor!
GOWAR Posts: 361 Joined: 2001/10/24	2006/07/11, 12:44 PM U right???? :)
	2006/07/11, 06:41 PM ditto on better sleep....not much for anything else...though better sleep goes a long way to making gains.....hope people dont underestimate how important this is....
bb1fit Posts: 11,105 Joined: 2001/06/30	2006/07/11, 07:14 PM As mentioned, zinc in and of itself does have some effect on E, therefore helping T levels a bit. But moreso in older gentlemen, but does not hurt any to use. -------------- Maximus from Gladiator....Strength and Honor!