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2005/07/11, 10:41 AM
Two drugs aren't better than one
Anyone who buys into the mainstream's belief that the process by which drugs are tested on humans (called clinical trials, among other things) is effective and always safe is suffering from a severe bout of either amnesia, naiveté, or both.
Drug trials are stopped in midstream all the time because of side effects or unexpected reactions - some of which have fatal consequences. For a vivid recent reminder of this, all one need do is recall the anti-depressant/teenage suicide scandal from 2003. If I'm not mistaken, at least one antidepressant drug study was halted at around that time after some of the test subjects ended up dead.
And who could forget the FDA's shutting down of a 2002 study of HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy) drugs after evidence surfaced that the medications increased subjects' risk of ovarian cancer, stoke, and heart disease. Now, something similar has happened in a study of chemotherapy drugs for breast cancer.
According to an article in a recent edition of the Journal of the American Medical Association, a five-year French study of a combination of two common chemotherapy drugs typically prescribed for advanced breast cancer was halted after 4 test subjects - all of them from the two-drug test group - died after developing low white blood cell counts, fever and digestive difficulties.
Similar, yet non-fatal symptoms were developed by a full 41% of the women in the two-drug group, as compared to just 7% among the test subjects as a whole. Weighing this data, the study's authors stopped the research after concluding that the combination of the two drugs was too toxic. No, really?!? What a leap of logic!
Naturally, instead of concurring with the opinion of the study's authors, the President-elect of the American Cancer Society recommended that the two-drug combination not be abandoned, but instead administered along with a third drug designed to boost white-cell counts, an Associated Press story on the debacle maintains. Isn't that just typical of the U.S. medical establishment - the notion that the solution to drug-related illness can't possibly be less drugs, but MORE?
I'm telling you: Until we do away with this kind of thinking, a lot more of us are going to end up on the slab instead of on the mend...
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bb1fit@freetrainers.com
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2005/07/11, 10:53 AM
I've said this before but it's worth mentioning. Eventually many of us will have to take prescription meds for the long term. In my case it's blood for pressure. My wife and I will absolutly not take a prescription that hasn't been on the open market for at least 5 years. It's not foolproof but I've watched our FDA waffle and vascilate on everything from antacids to analgesics to boner drugs for over 25 years. A heathy dose of skepticism is a great weapon to maintain in the case of your health.
Great post Ron.
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Sometimes life is as easy as herding cats.
Charlie
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2005/07/11, 10:55 AM
Glad to oblige Charlie, I don't normally get many responses to these type posts, but if one person reads it and benefits, then it is worth it!
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bb1fit@freetrainers.com
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2005/07/11, 02:01 PM
Boner drugs huh Charlie?
Good info bb1...I know I don't come across this information regularly and I'm sure there's a lot of information that's not worth passing on. So I appreciate ya catching these and thinking of the rest of us. My hat's off to you sir!
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2005/07/11, 02:21 PM
Thanks for the info. I take daily meds as well (depression--despite what Tom Cruise says). It's been out there for a good while, and serves me well.
And Charlie, where could one get these "boner drugs?":laugh:
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2005/07/11, 02:59 PM
Batman, I think Dr Cruise may not be the best medical reference.
Boner drugs....you know the one with the cute middle aged lady who gets what "SHE" wants when she wants it? She can't stop smiling so she must be satisfied. I think these also fall under the category of "granny abuse pills". Speaking from experience I can tell you that the best thing for what ails a horny geezer is a horny geezerette.
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2005/07/11, 03:20 PM
I blame the evil profit driven drug companies myself.
A really good website on this is:
http://www.nofreelunch.org
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2005/07/11, 03:41 PM
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Quoting from charlie826:
Batman, I think Dr Cruise may not be the best medical reference.
Boner drugs....you know the one with the cute middle aged lady who gets what "SHE" wants when she wants it? She can't stop smiling so she must be satisfied. I think these also fall under the category of "granny abuse pills". Speaking from experience I can tell you that the best thing for what ails a horny geezer is a horny geezerette.
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Charlie...you're killing me here. I can't take it any more...stop please.
Princess...if I'm not mistaken you're always providing a link to something. Are you a living bookmark?
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2005/07/11, 03:51 PM
Well if you're really interested, go to
http://www.livingbookmarks.com
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2005/07/11, 03:54 PM
Hey get off her back. She's only trying to help and inform people like me who want to learn about new things.
DX
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2005/07/11, 03:55 PM
DX, get a permission slip from your mom before you read this post.
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Charlie
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2005/07/11, 03:56 PM
Or you can download one from
http://www.permissionslips.com
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2005/07/11, 04:42 PM
:laugh::laugh:
You people are cracking me up.
Sorry BB1...but Charlie started it.
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2005/07/11, 10:39 PM
Hey now no blaming Charlie after all at his advanced age playing on the net is all he can do!
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2005/07/12, 10:29 AM
If you're going to blame Charlie, you must first register at http://www.charliestartedit.org
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2005/07/12, 10:30 AM
BB1Fit -
I agree totally with your insight to drugs. Married in to a chiropractic family and they have certainly opened my eyes to prescription drug use.
Don't get me wrong they do believe there is a time and place for them just not for every little thing.
Once you start reading studies you get a little worried about the direction "health care" is going.
The bad thing is you have to turn to journals and studies that are not always published in the US, kinda like they don't want us to know what countries like Great Britian, Canada, etc. are finding out.
Leslie
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2005/07/12, 11:26 AM
Well, I am eating my words that noone responds to these posts...great follow up folks! And Charlie and Princess, you two....well, just keep them coming! :big_smile:
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2005/07/12, 11:49 AM
Ron, remember that at the age of our average FT member they are bullet proof.
I do joke about the boner drugs but there is a point. Gov says they're safe. Manufacturer capitilizes on this and screams at the upper middle aged male "Now you can do it like you're 20 years old, which aint natural kiddies. Upper middle aged male still thinks with the little head and uses new miricle drug. Now we find it aint just masterbation that causes blindness like your mammie says. In the meantime the drugco makes gobs of cash , causes new health problems in the poor horny guy and starts the whole process all over again on another unsuspecting group of innocents. Drugco cares only about profit. Govco is pretty much owned by drugco...money money money makes the world go 'round.
Chances are you won't live a long and heathy life without a healthy dose of skepticism and reasearch about the way you treat your body.
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2005/07/12, 11:54 AM
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Quoting from charlie826:
Chances are you won't live a long and heathy life without a healthy dose of skepticism and reasearch about the way you treat your body.
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As long as there's boner drugs then who cares?
Seriously I know what you mean Charlie...my wife's grandmother passed away a few years ago and I remember the meds she was taking for her Arthritis, and the meds to counteract the affects of the Arthritis meds, then the meds to counteract those, endless cycle. Meanwhile she was in a near comotose state 24/7 until she died in her sleep.
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2005/07/12, 03:49 PM
The drug companies have even tried to invent an illness "female sexual dysfunction" in order to market the boner drugs to women.
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2005/07/21, 09:24 PM
ok what is a boner drug??:(
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2005/07/21, 09:27 PM
viagra
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Prayer for the day: Lord, help me to be the kind of person my dog thinks I am.
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2005/07/21, 09:30 PM
ok are you laughing over there
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2005/07/21, 09:35 PM
always
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Prayer for the day: Lord, help me to be the kind of person my dog thinks I am.
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