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2004/09/06, 04:42 PM
I am trying to loose fat right now and after lifting weghts i take my Post workout shake with dextrose malto and 50gr. protein. Chug half sip the rest for the next 30 min. Then about 20-30 min. later i'll eat my lunch 3oz. of steak and 2oz. of whole wheat pasta, 400 cal. all together my question is should i be eating this soon after taking my shake it's usually an hour after i've worked out, is the insulin still running through my body and will it store everything that i just ate into fat? thanks
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2004/09/06, 04:47 PM
Hi JustinE22, on some post bb1fit mentioned that 30 min after you finished your PWO shake you should be able to have your next meal. That's what I've been doing ever since and it has worked pretty good for me...
Hope this helps.
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2004/09/06, 06:57 PM
Justin: Gastric emptying will occur fairly rapidly with a "liquid meal". This is the reason for a balanced meal shortly after finishing your pwo shake.(by the way, if you are trying to lose fat, have you adjusted your pwo shake?) I would wait about 45 min. I would opt for a lean protein source(I would drop the steak), high fiber(any kind of bean for instance like black bean, navy bean, black eyed peas, pinto, etc.), a cup of veggies(not corn or carrots), and a little healthy fats, as your insulin sensitivity will low from the pwo shake, and this will restore insulin sensitivity and also provide good nourishment so your body will not opt for what you are trying so desperately to save, your lean tissue. Make this amount fit into your caloric amounts for the day. Then have your next regularly scheduled meal.
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2004/09/06, 06:57 PM
Justin: Gastric emptying will occur fairly rapidly with a "liquid meal". This is the reason for a balanced meal shortly after finishing your pwo shake.(by the way, if you are trying to lose fat, have you adjusted your pwo shake?) I would wait about 45 min. I would opt for a lean protein source(I would drop the steak), high fiber(any kind of bean for instance like black bean, navy bean, black eyed peas, pinto, etc.), a cup of veggies(not corn or carrots), and a little healthy fats, as your insulin sensitivity will low from the pwo shake, and this will restore insulin sensitivity and also provide good nourishment so your body will not opt for what you are trying so desperately to save, your lean tissue. Make this amount fit into your caloric amounts for the day. Then have your next regularly scheduled meal.
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2004/09/07, 01:20 AM
Thanks for the help guys, I know about adjusting my pwo shake to 1\4 of my body weight for cutting instead of 1\2 for gaining. So ground beef 80%lean 20% fat would work for a protein source? Would i get my healthy fats from that?(does using a foreman grill reduce the amount of fat from the nutritional facts for ground beef?) baked beans and some broccolli for veggies. or should i add some olive and garlic to my broccolli that's usually how i like to eat it.
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2004/09/07, 02:25 AM
Don't use milk with your PWO shake - it'll slow down digestion of the whey protein.
80/20 ground beef isn't exactly lean - just 4 ounces would have over 20 grams of fat. Look for non-red meat, like chicken, fish, etc. Broiled chicken breast with some mccormick chicken grill rub is my favorite lean protein.
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2004/09/07, 05:49 AM
the slow absorption with casein is normally good, but not in this case, as immediately post workout you want to get the protein into your blood stream as soon as possible.
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2004/09/08, 04:13 AM
Do i count my PWO shake calories as part of my daily intake?
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2004/09/08, 11:06 AM
You are mistaken....the casein will indeed slow absorbtion. Do not do this, use water.
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Your absolutely right in what you say but remember the shake is made of whey and milk. The whey proteins absorption will not be inhibited by the Casein as they are both different types of protein. it is only the Casein that gels up in the stomach. L-glutamic acid from the whey activates the protein digesting enzyme pepsin and is absorbed as normal the Casein is released slower and aids as a back up, see its like this protein can-not be stored as it is in the body if you are training you need a constant supply of protein in your system. to achieve this you would have to consume a protein shake every 30 mins this is why we need slow releasing sources like milk and meat to ensure that our lean tissue is never tapped into so if you were to have a whey protein shake without milk post workout this would give you 30 mins before your body started looking for protein, now don't forget that at this time the protein is not being used for energy as this could be supplied by carbs but because you have trained your muscles (and if you have trained them right).you will need protein for repair and your system will take this protein from other less used muscle on your body so say if you have just worked out on your legs there is a chance that you may lose muscle from your arms to supply the protein, it is the Casein in the milk that prevents this from happening. I hope this makes sense.
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2004/09/08, 05:27 PM
Simple carbs will be protecting your fat??? :big_smile: This cannot possibly happen, hundreds of studies bear this out. The idea is to get anabolic as quickly as possible.
The idea is simply to jump start the rebuilding process. By delaying gastric emptying this is contrary to an ideal post-workout scenario. The faster the muscle glycogen stores can be replenished after exercise, the faster the recovery process and the greater the return of performance capacity.
Reducing the emptying rate of the carbohydrate source would severely delay the ingestion process, and therefore the benefits of the nutrients for the post-workout glycogen synthesis.
As you may well know, insulin has a positive effect on both glycogen resynthesis and protein synthesis. Again, this has overwhelming scientific research to back it up. Thus insulin will stimulate the uptake of amino acids post workout.
Again, you are missing the big picture...the idea is to get the body back into regulation. No protein synthesis will occur of any kind until all other demands are met. The sooner you achieve this, the sooner repairs can start, thus the "jump start". No, you will not build tons of muscle by just the post workout shake, but it has an additive effect. The sooner you can become anabolic, the sooner positive protein synthesis can begin. Add this up over days, weeks, months of workouts, and it adds up to alot more recovery time, and that adds up to what??? Say it with me now...more muscle recovery time.
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2004/09/08, 07:11 PM
On the contrary, I was responding to the line that casein will not slow digestion of whey. It will indeed do so.
Again, many studies prove the opposite of your scenario post workout for someone trying to lose fat, insulin post workout will not impair fat burning abilities. You simply need to adjust your amounts of simple carbs. (cardio is a completely different story, weight lifting is a constant, but cardio is what you need to be concerned with when fat burn is your primary goal.) Here, you are correct in some parts, you want glucogenisis to occur. True, insulin and glucognesis are opposite, both are secreted by the pancreas by the way. This is why it is optimal to wait 30-45 minutes post cardio for your intake of nutrients, and then follow with a lean protein, fibrous carbs and veggies, or even EFA's. (I prefer protein, glutamine and EFA's, then follow that up with my next regularly scheduled meal that will consist of the aforementioned items. The reason is due to the fact you are trying to make, to not impair any lypolysis that you may have achieved from your cardio session. But, when weight training for muscle gain and preservation of lean tissue, you need a different scenario. If you are training hard, the need to get anabolic as quickly as possible is paramount. Let your diet do the fat loss here. By creating a caloric deficit, you can tap into your fat stores, while retaining lean tissue.
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2004/09/08, 08:50 PM
Well, I do appreciate your point, and in some ways it seems logical. But, to address your main point....your simple carbs and protein are needed to blunt cortisol and get anabolic. If you inhibit this process in any way with a slow digesting protein, you prolong the crisis for a much longer period of time. With the uptake of nutrients into the muscle with your post workout shake, you will have adequate protein if you time your next meal correctly, thus achieving the supercompensation ability in the window of opportunity, sparing breakdown of muscle tissue(insulin is as much about preventing breakdown of lean tissue as it is amino acid uptake at this time), and so you begin refeeding with sensible meals at approximately 1/2 hr. after finishing your pwo shake. If there is any time lapse between having enough protein(which there won't be), it is much more minimal than the results which will occur if you delay becoming anabolic with a slow releasing protein.
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2004/09/09, 07:32 AM
this thread is excellent, very informative.
One more question though -
If protein can be used to supply the body's requirement for glucose, won't a whey protein drink inhibit cortisol production?
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2004/09/09, 10:34 AM
While you are again correct in part of your analysis, you are also mistaken. True, casein actually gels in the stomach before digestion. And this is wonderful anytime other than post workout. Casein adheres to the intestinal wall and blocks the absorption of the smaller whey protein molecules. Also, it generates a barrier of mucus internally which not only drives down the absorption of protein, but also the absorption of other vital nutrients. This is the opposite of what we want post workout, it will slow gastric emptying and thus negate the process. Will you gain doing this? Of course you will, continuing to lift and eat an abundance of calories. Can you accelerate those gains? Quite possibly so with the proper post workout procedures. As mentioned there are literally hundreds of studies that back this up.
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2004/09/09, 11:09 PM
Ok, I do not know where you are getting your information from, but it is not good info. It is mixed with some fact, but very short on real world practicalities. I could go into the milk thing in the first place, it is in no way the "perfect food", in fact far from it. A few tidbits..
The path that transforms healthy milk products into allergens and carcinogens begins with modern feeding methods that substitute high-protein, soy-based feeds for fresh green grass and breeding methods to produce cows with abnormally large pituitary glands so that they produce three times more milk than the old fashioned scrub cow. These cows need antibiotics to keep them well.
Their milk is then pasteurized so that all valuable enzymes are destroyed (lactase for the assimilation of lactose; galactase for the assimilation of galactose; phosphatase for the assimilation of calcium).
Literally dozens of other precious enzymes are destroyed in the pasteurization process. Without them, milk is very difficult to digest. The human pancreas is not always able to produce these enzymes; over-stress of the pancreas can lead to diabetes and other diseases.
The butterfat of commercial milk is homogenized, subjecting it to rancidity. Even worse, butterfat may be removed altogether. Skim milk is sold as a health food, but the truth is that butter-fat is in milk for a reason.
Without it the body cannot absorb and utilize the vitamins and minerals in the water fraction of the milk. Along with valuable trace minerals and short chain fatty acids, butterfat is America's best source of preformed vitamin A.
Synthetic vitamin D, known to be toxic to the liver, is added to replace the natural vitamin D complex in butterfat. Butterfat also contains re-arranged acids which have strong anti-carcinogenic properties.
The recent approval by the FDA of the use of BGH (Bovine Growth Hormone) by dairy farmers to increase their milk production only worsens the already sad picture.
BGH will also decrease the body fat of cows. Unfortunately, the body fat of cows is already contaminated with a wide range of carcinogens, pesticides, dioxin, and antibiotic residues. When the cows have less body fat, these toxic substances are then transported into the cows' milk.
So much for milk as the perfect food....now to address post workout...and notice the references
Adding milk is, in general, a bad idea. It will slow the absorption of amino acids in the gut during a period when you want a rapid increase in blood amino-acid levels. Milk protein is composed of two fractions, which are casein (accounting for approximately 80% of the protein in milk) and whey (which accounts for the remaining 20%) These have, respectively, been characterized as 'slow' and 'fast' proteins according to the rate at which they are digested and the speed at which amino-acids enter the bloodstream. (1) Whey results in a rapid, high spike in blood amino acid level which is highly anabolic, whereas casein results in a slow, steady increase in plasma amino-acid levels that is anti-catabolic in nature. (2) Mahe et al, who looked at the differences in digestion between casein and beta-lactoglobulin (which is the major subfraction in whey) found that casein clots in the acidic environment of the stomach, which delays gastric emptying, and results in a prolonged, steady released of amino-acids. (this is good any time but post workout). Whey, in contrast, remains soluble in the stomach, and quickly makes its way further down the digestive track resulting in the characteristic rapid peak in blood amino levels.
"While some have inferred from the research that by consuming both casein and whey together you'll get both the anti-catabolic effects of casein along with the anabolism of whey, this is unlikely. As a number of others(studies) have pointed out, it is more likely that since casein clots in the gut, and slows gastric emptying, you'll be slowing down the whey, causing it to act much like casein."
References
1. Fruhbeck G. Protein metabolism. Slow and fast dietary proteins. Nature. 391(6670):843, 845, 1998 Feb 26.
2. Mahe S. Roos N. Benamouzig R. Davin L. Luengo C. Gagnon L. Gausserges N. Rautureau J. Tome D. Gastrojejunal kinetics and the digestion of (15N)beta-lactoglobulin and casein in humans: the influence of the nature and quantity of the protein. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. 63(4):546-52, 1996 Apr.
3. Tipton KD. Rasmussen BB. Miller SL. Wolf SE. Owens-Stovall SK. Petrini BE. Wolfe RR. Timing of amino acid-carbohydrate ingestion alters anabolic response of muscle to resistance exercise. American Journal of Physiology - Endocrinology & Metabolism. 281(2):E197-206, 2001 Aug.
Mixing your post-workout protein shake with milk is not a bad idea per se, but at best it’s sub-par. One of the functions that insulin works is by translocation of GLUT4 (‘glucose transporter 4’) receptors to the cell membrane (1). GLUT4 is basically one of the glucose receptors (there are others) that allow glucose uptake in the cell.
As well, casein is the predominant protein that milk consists of (about 80% or so, with about 20% being whey). Casein actually forms clots in the stomach during digestion, forming a sort of paste that slows digestion further. Again, this is not something you’re striving for, so milk consumption during this time is not the obvious choice.
References:
(1) Need for GLUT4 activation to reach maximum effect of insulin-mediated glucose uptake in brown adipocytes isolated from GLUT4myc-expressing mice.
Diabetes. 2002 Sep;51(9):2719-26.
(2) Intracellular mechanisms underlying increases in glucose uptake in response to insulin or exercise in skeletal muscle.
Acta Physiol Scand. 2001 Mar;171(3):249-57
(3) The time course for elevated muscle protein synthesis following heavy resistance exercise.
Can J Appl Physiol. 1995 Dec;20(4):480-6.
(4) Post-ischemic stimulation of 2-deoxyglucose uptake in rat myocardium: role of translocation of Glut-4.
J Mol Cell Cardiol. 1998 Feb;30(2):393-403.
(5) Gastic emptying and intragastric distribution of lipids in man. A new scintigraphic method of study. Dig Dis Sci (1982) 27 (8): 705-711.
(6) In vivo and in vitro gastric emptying of milk replacers containing soybean proteins. J Dairy Sci. 1994 Feb;77(2):533-40.
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*****One last note, and I am dropping the subject. I would be remiss in my duties as a mod if I did not supply the latest, best, most effective strategies available(backed up by countless scientific and real world applications). My premise here is to help folks, not argue with someone over what they want to do. You in fact are very free to do what you will post workout, I can only give advice. It personally does not matter to me what you do, all I can say is good luck and happy gains. It is time for me to move on. Apparently I could list hundreds of studies (which I could do), and you would still come back with something contrary. If you look hard enough out there for something to back up a theory you have, you can most likely find it. But it may not and probably is not correct. The science against your stance is vastly overwhelming.
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2004/09/10, 11:18 AM
It is quite funny, I am a mod on this site and have to look and answer all questions, plus tons of emails. I do not concentrate simply on this question. :big_smile:
And you are dead wrong, I was simply trying to prove to you in another way(scientific research), because simple logic was not getting through. I in no way follow the supplement companies, in fact if you read back under the supplement section you will find my posts in a rant AGAINST them. Again, the choice post workout is yours.
Yes, the old bodybuilders made great gains, and as I mentioned numerous times, will you make gains, of course you will if you lift and eat consistently. Can you accelerate these gains with the correct post workout procedure??? This is the question, and the answer is varifiable through the latest sound research and science and overwhelming.
Nowhere have I contradicted myself, my stance is clear. I do not use milk post workout and will not use milk post workout.
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2004/09/10, 11:30 AM
Keep one more thing in mind, these old time bodybuilders(and I grew up with many of them, I followed arnolds career from the time he came over here, and franco was my favorite), all used a "supplement" that we do not use. With this protein synthesis will occur with M&M's!
A clean bodybuilder has to pay particular attention to diet and try to use all scientifically sound means to try to accelerate their gains in any way, and then it is done by "stacking" useful methods to make what small gains we can. Post workout scenario is our most anabolic time, and taking the most correct approach is imparitive.
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2004/09/10, 06:23 PM
Well, that is why these are called "discussion" boards. I have to tell you, I have trained clients for years, have set up literally hundreds of diets for folks, am a competitive bodybuilder, have trained a few, competed with and against hundreds of them, and conversed over and over with them. Their post workout protocol overwhelmingly is the same. Add in the research that is available, and it gets pretty hard to ignore. This is my policy, I know it to work first hand, through me and many personal sources as mentioned, not simply internet sites. I thank you for the apology, we do not need to get personal, it is simply a matter of what you choose to do with your "window of opportunity". I commend you for your apology, we all have to go into things with an open mind or we will never learn. I do invite you to go to http://www.abcbodybuilding.com and make a post there to your theories. Let me know your screen name so I can follow it.:big_smile:
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2004/09/12, 05:25 PM
From your own "researched sites"....it says absolutely what I have been saying, yes casein is wonderful, but it is not optimal post workout...a direct line from your first site, a Labrada site whom I admire by the way..
"One such strength lies in casein's tendency to form a gel in the intestinal tract. This gel is responsible for slowing the transit time of nutrients through the intestines. The slowing of transit time can exert a "time release" effect on other proteins and nutrients lasting up to 6 hours, thereby giving the body more time to fully digest and absorb those nutrients."
Your second article from 1 fast I have read before of course, and though it touts the goodness of casein, which again I agree with, it does not tout it immediately post workout!
Your 3rd one they in the end have a product to sell...pro peptide...and even with that do not make the case for casein immediately post workout.
Your 4th one I cannot pull up for some reason.
Your 5th site is also not valid, please resubmit this if you care to.
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I would usualy take the advise of experiance but I have been on to these sites this morning and I have to say I am going with the milk on this one.
BTW thanks both of you for the great tips..
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_1_21/ai_98542698
http://www.1fast400.com/a17_Whey_Protein__Exposed_.html
http://www.thebeef.info/equalizer.html
http://www.ingenta.com/isis/searching/Expand/ingenta?pub=infobike://cabi/bjn/2003/00000089/00000002/art00009
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2004/09/12, 05:27 PM
Look, noone is denying that casein is a wonderful protein, I use it myself extensively, just not immediately post workout. It is not the optimal protein source to use at this time.
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2004/09/12, 07:21 PM
Nice thread guys.
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2004/09/13, 01:15 AM
So when is casein optimal if it should not be used post workout?
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2004/09/13, 03:20 AM
probably any other time i'm guessing from what bb1 has said, before bed time maybe since it will absorb slowly and it will be a long time till your next meal. What products can casein be found in, does half and half contain it?
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2004/09/13, 11:28 AM
Before bed is extemely optimal to use casein(cottaged cheese for example is great), as well as using a blend of casein, whey, egg during the day if you must take another protein shake. Food is of course your most optimal source of protein intake other than immediately post workout. This is the only time whey may be classified as "needed".
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2004/11/04, 04:24 PM
I know it is a bit late now but this is a very interesting thread that many people would like to read...
the question form JUSTIN was should he eat that fast after his PWO SHAKE? you didn´t answer.
i am kind of looking the asnwer too
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2004/11/04, 05:03 PM
it has been quite a while kakaroto, i believe the answer is about 45 min. after your pwo shake before you should eat a meal, since gastric emptying occurs fairly quick about 30-45min,
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2004/11/04, 07:00 PM
but whats your protein shake ratio then?
i was thinking on taking a meal replacement, thats about 250 cals plus a glass milk more or less 100 cals
then wait 3 hoursa for my next meal.
what were you doing? taking just yuour peotien shake, not meal replacement, then eat 45 min later?
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2004/11/04, 07:01 PM
This is absolutely correct.
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it has been quite a while kakaroto, i believe the answer is about 45 min. after your pwo shake before you should eat a meal, since gastric emptying occurs fairly quick about 30-45min,
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2004/11/04, 07:26 PM
My pwo shake ratioe is 2 scoops protein about 46g. protein, with malot/dextrose combo with about 5g. of glutamine. yeah take your pwo shake then a blanced meal with some fibrous veggies i use about a cup of broccoli some sort of beans, i use baked beans that are low in surgar and about 53g. of chicken breast which is about 17g. of protein. and i also have about 2 fish oil capsules. Hope that helps
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2004/11/04, 08:05 PM
right... you drink half of your protein shake as fast as you can right after you're done working out, and just sip the rest for 30-60 minutes... after that last sip, just sit tight and wait for that next meal after 30-45 minutes...
also, here's a question i hope someone can answer... how much water is optimal with your PWO shake? i usually do 2 scoops of whey (48gr.) and 10gr. of my ninja malto/dext combo in 1 liter of water... that is WAY more than what it says on the label, which recommends 16oz (in this scenario)... that feels like nothing, since after drinking half of that, i have a hard time sipping 8oz for more than 5 minutes...
so, is there such a thing as too much water with your PWO shake, or does it not really matter?! if so, what is the best 'whey-to-water' ratio? thank you much...
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2004/11/04, 08:19 PM
nice so you take a good shake with carbs and prot and you eat whole meal 30-45 min after? i thought you had to wait more or less 1.30 - 2 hours after your shake (since it has all nutrients...).
PIMPLE, i dont think water will do some...
just the taste as you say... put less water it will be more concentrated, therefore tastier.... thas all
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2004/11/04, 08:41 PM
I think sipping your protein shake for 60 minutes is way too long. Chug half immiediately then sip the rest for 30 min., 45 min. at the most. the goal is to chug half to stop cortisol and muscle breakdown then sip the rest for a steady supply of nutrient.what you eat for the next 90 min. after your workout is key and if you spend an hour on your pwo shake you are not going to see max results. As for the amount of water, i just judge it and i don't think there is a set amount just put enough in there so you can chug half and sip the rest over the next 30 min.
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2004/11/04, 09:39 PM
wait wait... so you dont drink all your shake at once? you drink half then the rest sip by sip? OMG
and fater taking all your drink, how much time do you wait before next meal?
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2004/11/04, 10:26 PM
i don't care about taste... i use water because that's the best liquid you can use... anyways, the reason you don't drink the whole thing at once is so you don't over do it with the protein you provide your body... that way you avoid an overload, and as you said, you keep supplying a steady flow of nutrients and such...
i usually finish my shake within 45 minutes, but sometimes it takes me longer, depending on what i'm doing... either way, i would think the longer you take sipping the second half of your shake the better... as long as you don't take too long (more than an hour), i don't think it's too bad, but this is my opinion, and i've no proof of it being THE way to go right now... maybe someone could shed some science in here...?!
and again, kaka, you drink half of your shake at once and sip the rest slowly for a period of 30-45-60 minutes, depending on what people might tell you... heh... then after you're done sipping your shake, just wait around for 30-45 minutes, and get going on your feast...
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2004/11/04, 11:54 PM
Pimple kakaroto was stating that you should use water but if you like it to tate more concentrated then you would use less water if it tastes too watered down then your using too much water or if you don't mind the taste then go for the watered down effect. As for taking an hour to finish your shake it is not good because as was mentioned above and agreed upon by bb1 is that gastric emptying will occur fairly quickly about 30-45min. thus waiting an hour to finish then another 30-45 min. to eat you are not supplying a continuous flow of nutrients, a sip of your protein shake is not going to take 45 min. to digest. Hopefully bb1 will be along to help clarify but i believe that the rapid digestion of liquids is the reason for not waiting an hour to sip the rest of your protein shake.
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2004/11/05, 05:54 PM
here, i got it... turns out i was right after all (that's ninja skills for ya)... here it is:
http://freetrainers.com/FT/jsp/Message.jsp?f_ix=13&t_ix=1442
scroll down to ron's post from Jan 7, 2004 - 10:39:58... or... to quote it:
"...Drink 1/2 of it immediately, and sip the other half for the remainder of an hour...."
he'll probably drop by some time and explain the actual reason why this is so, but from that post, i guess it wouldn't kill us to sip that motha for a whole hour... peace out...
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2004/11/05, 06:07 PM
here, i got it... turns out i was right after all (that's ninja skills for ya)... here it is:
http://freetrainers.com/FT/jsp/Message.jsp?f_ix=13&t_ix=1442
scroll down to ron's post from Jan 7, 2004 - 10:39:58... or... to quote it:
"...Drink 1/2 of it immediately, and sip the other half for the remainder of an hour...."
he'll probably drop by some time and explain the actual reason why this is so, but from that post, i guess it wouldn't kill us to sip that motha for a whole hour... peace out...
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2004/11/06, 01:22 PM
OK so you sip it for an hour...nice.
how much time after that last sip eat next balanced meal?
after that last sip one hour later?
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2004/11/06, 02:41 PM
yeah... i'm not sure if i sounded overly cocky on that last post, but i didn't mean like that... so i apologizej if i sounded arrogant... i was actually not so sure about it being an hour after your post, so i was just glad to have found a sure answer... bleh...
and kaka, for the 100th time... sip the shake for an hour (after drinking half of it in a few seconds) then have your pwo MEAL some 45 minutes after your shake... and if you're taking creatine, take it 20 minutes into your shake... heh...
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2004/11/06, 04:04 PM
there we go thanks
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2004/12/02, 11:43 PM
helo
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2006/04/20, 04:23 AM
if i am trying to loose weight while keeping muscle and i do 50 min of cardio a day should i drink whey protein at all and when:pre workout, post workout, before bed??
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2006/04/23, 05:25 AM
Guys, when I take my shake I kind of drink it real quick. Does that pose a problem?
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2006/04/23, 09:40 PM
Hustlenblaze, have some amino's before your cardio. Afterwards you can do the same, have a PWO shake with some simple sugars. Drink 1/2, then sip the other 1/2 over about 30 minutes. Same goes for you Chris, have your shake PWO the same way. Having a meal 1-2 hours after your workout is also a good idea. Have a decent protein source and complex carb. Regardless of the time.
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